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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #680 on: December 23, 2020, 02:46:45 PM »
Thanks.
It seems only if it was due to a  rule change or you didnt accept full approved amount, but if you applied with less proof than you can not request now an increase
The Act also reopens PPP1 by earmarking $35 billion of the aforementioned $284 billion for eligible recipients who have not previously received a loan under PPP1. It appears would-be borrowers who fall into this category would be subject to the eligibility rules of PPP1, while receiving the benefit of the expanded list of expenses eligible for forgiveness and loan forgiveness procedures that are described in the following sections. PPP1 loan applications for borrowers who have not previously taken advantage of these funds will be accepted until March 31, 2021.

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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #681 on: December 23, 2020, 03:35:12 PM »
Everyone here is missing the boat.

In all likelihood, Congress will not be able to override the veto even if support remains behind the bill. The bill has not been delivered yet to Trump, and once it gets to him, Trump can pocket veto the bill for 10 days before it would take effect, but by then, this congress would be dissolved and the entire process would have to restart.

In short, the president can ignore the bill. Generally, a bill that is ignored will automatically become law after 10 days. In this case, however, 10 days would be after January 3, and this congress -along with any unsigned bills - would be terminated. In order for congress to vote on a veto override, the president would first have to veto it. He won't veto outright, as the timing is prime for a successful pocket veto.
So much for Trump playing 4D chess

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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #682 on: December 23, 2020, 03:38:20 PM »
For example?
How about Trump trying to stuff Section 230 modifications into a Military funding bill?


So much for Trump playing 4D chess
He's the same buffoon he always was.
Vetoing the NDAA will force the House & Senate to overrule him, the US won't miss a military paycheck. Once they overrule him once, they're much more likely to overrule him with the stimulus. In the meantime the Dems are shouting from every rooftop that they'd give $2000, and Georgia voters are gonna blame the Republicans for this mess.

Perdue & Loeffler voted for the NDAA. Either way they vote on the overrule will cost them a large chunk of voters.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #683 on: December 23, 2020, 03:51:23 PM »
How about Trump trying to stuff Section 230 modifications into a Military funding bill?
How much does the Section 230 modification cost?
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #684 on: December 23, 2020, 03:52:30 PM »
How much does the Section 230 modification cost?
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #685 on: December 23, 2020, 03:56:30 PM »
How much does the Section 230 modification cost?
It would have a chilling effect on forums like DDF and likely result in heavy handed moderation across the internet.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #686 on: December 23, 2020, 04:02:50 PM »
Ability to have competition to big tech media
It would have a chilling effect on forums like DDF and likely result in heavy handed moderation across the internet.
Neither of these are definitions of pork barrel. This is a bill Rs want passed, it's not paying for free stuff for special interests.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #687 on: December 23, 2020, 04:05:40 PM »
Neither of these are definitions of pork barrel. This is a bill Rs want passed, it's not paying for free stuff for special interests.
Are you talking about the appropriations bill or something else?
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #688 on: December 23, 2020, 04:08:26 PM »
Are you talking about the appropriations bill or something else?
Appropriations and Stimulus. Pork is paying for pet projects, there is plenty of that in both bills and I wish we had more like Rand Paul who call it out.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #689 on: December 23, 2020, 04:17:40 PM »
Appropriations and Stimulus. Pork is paying for pet projects, there is plenty of that in both bills and I wish we had more like Rand Paul who call it out.
Stimulus is not separate from appropriations bill. There is so much pork in there it is amazing there are any pigs left at all. Don't delude yourself that it is all D.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #690 on: December 23, 2020, 04:46:27 PM »
Stimulus is not separate from appropriations bill. There is so much pork in there it is amazing there are any pigs left at all. Don't delude yourself that it is all D.
It is definitely not all D, but they seem to have more hands in the jar.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #691 on: December 23, 2020, 05:00:45 PM »
It is definitely not all D, but they seem to have more hands in the jar.
Of course. They control the house where appropriation bills start.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #692 on: December 23, 2020, 06:57:49 PM »
It is definitely not all D, but they seem to have more hands in the jar.
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #695 on: December 24, 2020, 10:11:23 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #696 on: December 24, 2020, 02:45:49 PM »
Now there is a new standalone $2000 bill to be voted on, on Monday.

That should pass in the House.
The Senate should have 47 Democrat votes.
Can't we not find just 13 Republicans to join?
Or will McConnell simply not let them vote in the Senate?

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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #697 on: December 24, 2020, 03:58:52 PM »
Now there is a new standalone $2000 bill to be voted on, on Monday.

That should pass in the House.
The Senate should have 47 Democrat votes.
Can't we not find just 13 Republicans to join?
Or will McConnell simply not let them vote in the Senate?

I don't see McConnell allowing such a bill on the agenda, but if he does they only need 51 votes (majority), and less if some abstain.

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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #698 on: December 24, 2020, 04:21:33 PM »
I don't see McConnell allowing such a bill on the agenda, but if he does they only need 51 votes (majority), and less if some abstain.
Don't bills require 60?

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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #699 on: December 24, 2020, 05:22:07 PM »
Don't bills require 60?
Generally 51 is enough. For the massive bill that was approved by congress this week (that is on hold now), they mandated a 60-vote threshold to pass, because they skipped some steps in the process.