Author Topic: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package  (Read 169566 times)

Offline YitzyS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2015
  • Posts: 5834
  • Total likes: 14276
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 34
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood, NJ
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #700 on: December 24, 2020, 05:24:26 PM »
I spoke to someone whose political sense I trust and he told me that he feels Trump is just bluffing by saying he won't sign the bill. He believes that Trump wants everyone to scramble like they are doing now, and if everything falls through, he will end up just signing the bill that congress approved.

Online cgr

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 4479
  • Total likes: 1524
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 7
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #701 on: December 24, 2020, 05:37:54 PM »
I spoke to someone whose political sense I trust and he told me that he feels Trump is just bluffing by saying he won't sign the bill. He believes that Trump wants everyone to scramble like they are doing now, and if everything falls through, he will end up just signing the bill that congress approved.

My thoughts exactly.

He wants to go down as the president who wanted to help the American people, but Congress couldn't get their act together and are to blame.

He also doesn't want to go down as the president who kept bread from the mouths of the American people.

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15137
  • Total likes: 2457
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #702 on: December 24, 2020, 05:50:40 PM »
I spoke to someone whose political sense I trust and he told me that he feels Trump is just bluffing by saying he won't sign the bill. He believes that Trump wants everyone to scramble like they are doing now, and if everything falls through, he will end up just signing the bill that congress approved.
Yet he vetoed the NDAA which made even less sense.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15137
  • Total likes: 2457
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #703 on: December 24, 2020, 05:53:16 PM »
Now there is a new standalone $2000 bill to be voted on, on Monday.

That should pass in the House.
The Senate should have 47 Democrat votes.
Can't we not find just 13 Republicans to join?
Or will McConnell simply not let them vote in the Senate?
Wouldn’t be surprised if Republicans support the $2k. It’s their only chance to win Georgia. Approve it and let Trump take credit for it
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4966
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #704 on: December 24, 2020, 06:10:53 PM »
Charitable Contribution
The above-the-line charitable contribution is extended through 2021 at $600 for those married filing jointly and $300 for other filers. This means taxpayers will be able to take the standard deduction and deduct up to $600 in charitable giving when calculating their taxable income. For the 2020 tax year, taxpayers could deduct up to $300 above-the-line for charitable contributions.

Can anyone clarify if it's $300 or $600 in "2020" for married filing jointly?

Offline YitzyS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2015
  • Posts: 5834
  • Total likes: 14276
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 34
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood, NJ
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #705 on: December 24, 2020, 06:19:43 PM »
My thoughts exactly.

He wants to go down as the president who wanted to help the American people, but Congress couldn't get their act together and are to blame.

He also doesn't want to go down as the president who kept bread from the mouths of the American people.
The chiddush is that my friend thinks he will sign the bill that already passed, and not a new one. Not sure if that's what you're saying.

Offline YitzyS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2015
  • Posts: 5834
  • Total likes: 14276
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 34
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood, NJ
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #706 on: December 24, 2020, 06:20:06 PM »
Wouldn’t be surprised if Republicans support the $2k. It’s their only chance to win Georgia. Approve it and let Trump take credit for it
They already blocked it today, I believe.

Online cgr

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 4479
  • Total likes: 1524
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 7
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #707 on: December 24, 2020, 06:22:12 PM »
The chiddush is that my friend thinks he will sign the bill that already passed, and not a new one. Not sure if that's what you're saying.

Yes, I believe come Monday when the $2k bill fails, he'll just pick up his pen and sign the bill on his desk.

Online cgr

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Aug 2017
  • Posts: 4479
  • Total likes: 1524
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 7
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #708 on: December 24, 2020, 06:30:20 PM »
Can anyone clarify if it's $300 or $600 in "2020" for married filing jointly?

$300.
In 2021 it's $600.
https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116HR133SA-RCP-116-68.pdf
Page 4948

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4966
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #709 on: December 24, 2020, 06:37:47 PM »
$300.
In 2021 it's $600.
https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116HR133SA-RCP-116-68.pdf
Page 4948
It only speaks of 2021.
So I guess you are right, that it's only for 2021.

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15137
  • Total likes: 2457
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #710 on: December 24, 2020, 08:43:17 PM »
They already blocked it today, I believe.
The house republicans blocked a unanimous consent modification attempt. The dems are putting froward a new $2000 bill on Monday. It will pass the house and I think there's a good chance the senate will pass it. They will definitely lose Georgia if they don't.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1342126003892715522?s=20
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19107
  • Total likes: 15273
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #711 on: December 24, 2020, 09:31:15 PM »
Wouldn’t be surprised if Republicans support the $2k. It’s their only chance to win Georgia. Approve it and let Trump take credit for it
That does not seem to be the opinion of the candidates
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15137
  • Total likes: 2457
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #712 on: December 24, 2020, 09:38:57 PM »
Quote
This is what happens with a president who places more trust in conservative fever swamp Twitter than his own Treasury Secretary. His administration helped negotiate this bill, and he just pulled down the pants of every Republican who voted for it,” said Brendan Buck, a former top aide to onetime House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/22/trump-stimulus-video-bill/


That does not seem to be the opinion of the candidates
What makes you say that?
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19107
  • Total likes: 15273
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #713 on: December 24, 2020, 09:42:31 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline AsherO

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 25K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 31332
  • Total likes: 8200
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 79
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #714 on: December 24, 2020, 09:56:03 PM »
The house republicans blocked a unanimous consent modification attempt. The dems are putting froward a new $2000 bill on Monday. It will pass the house and I think there's a good chance the senate will pass it. They will definitely lose Georgia if they don't.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1342126003892715522?s=20

Please pardon my ignorance: What’s the difference between “unanimous consent modification” and a new $2000 bill?
DDF FFB (Forum From Birth)

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15137
  • Total likes: 2457
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #715 on: December 24, 2020, 10:46:26 PM »
Please pardon my ignorance: What’s the difference between “unanimous consent modification” and a new $2000 bill?
Technical procedures. One can be knocked down by a single Republican. One needs to wait for congress to be in session but can pass with the D majority
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4966
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #716 on: December 25, 2020, 02:31:27 AM »
I saw a video where Kelly Loeffler said she would consider raising the checks to $2000, if there is offsetting of some of the pork.

There is the possibility Trump does the pocket veto and the entire bill collapses for now.

Instead of the Democrats voting on a stand alone $2000 bill in the House on Monday, which McConnell could decide to not bring to a vote in the Senate (and by doing so lose both seats in Georgia), why don't we get a bipartisan group to get up, and figure out how to bump the checks up to at least $1200.  It will cost another $190 billion, and they should try to offset some of the other moneys, like reduce ppp by 30 billion, another 20 here, 10 there, and perhaps they can figure out that the entire bill should only go up by another 50 billion or so. They can even try to get rid of some D pork, by telling D, that if you want us to get closer to $2000, you need to give in a bit on the pork.
Let them make these quick changes, pass it in both houses, and quickly send it to the president who will sign off on $1200 checks.

Instead they will try to pass a much larger $2000, and offset nothing, thus making Republicans even less likely to take it up in the Senate. We either get nothing from this congress if Trump follows through, or only $600, which the Republicans will end up losing Georgia with, since the Democrats will show that the R's dont want to give money during a pandemic.

Some level headed Republicans should get up and work on some trade ups this weekends, rather than look bad, when the Dems put them on the spot on a standalone bill.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19107
  • Total likes: 15273
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #717 on: December 25, 2020, 08:59:08 AM »
Not sure why you guys seem so certain that GA senate hinges on this $2000. Loeffler apparently doesn't if the most she s saying is that she would consider it if pigs fly, which is more likely than pork getting cut.

why don't we get a bipartisan group to get up, and figure out how to bump the checks up to at least $1200.  It will cost another $190 billion, and they should try to offset some of the other moneys, like reduce ppp by 30 billion, another 20 here, 10 there, and perhaps they can figure out that the entire bill should only go up by another 50 billion or so. They can even try to get rid of some D pork, by telling D, that if you want us to get closer to $2000, you need to give in a bit on the pork.
Let them make these quick changes, pass it in both houses, and quickly send it to the president who will sign off on $1200 checks.

Is this supposed to be a joke?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4966
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #718 on: December 25, 2020, 11:15:12 AM »
No joke.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19107
  • Total likes: 15273
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #719 on: December 25, 2020, 11:34:31 AM »
No joke.
So you think there is even a slight possibility of there being a bipartisan group put together and that group will cu D pork and the Ds will agree to it all in a week or two? LOL
Feelings don't care about your facts