Author Topic: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package  (Read 154095 times)

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4957
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #720 on: December 25, 2020, 01:23:17 PM »
I don't want them to agree in a week or 2.
I want it done by Monday :)

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4957
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #721 on: December 25, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »
The relief bill has finally arrived at Mar-a-Lago.
Did it come by boat? Horse and buggy?

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #722 on: December 25, 2020, 01:56:35 PM »
This may come as shock to people but Republicans oppose government handouts.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline yesitsme

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Posts: 5020
  • Total likes: 2237
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #723 on: December 25, 2020, 02:01:19 PM »
This may come as shock to people but Republicans oppose government handouts.
I oppose handouts, but I also oppose being skipped on when there is handouts

Offline Deal Guy

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 4957
  • Total likes: 131
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 9
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #724 on: December 25, 2020, 02:12:57 PM »
This may come as shock to people but Republicans oppose government handouts.
During a pandemic when people don't have jobs, and even if they have jobs but the government can shut down those industries, people are more interested in cash checks, even if usually they side with Republicans and the deficit. You want to have a drop of security in case there is a 3 week shutdown...

And the Republicans better wake up to that realization before they lose Georgia.

Offline TBD

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Nov 2014
  • Posts: 1316
  • Total likes: 206
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: United States
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #725 on: December 25, 2020, 02:16:02 PM »
During a pandemic when people don't have jobs, and even if they have jobs but the government can shut down those industries, people are more interested in cash checks, even if usually they side with Republicans and the deficit. You want to have a drop of security in case there is a 3 week shutdown...

And the Republicans better wake up to that realization before they lose Georgia.
I just can't understand why all people here are so stingy! Why not some $10,000 check per person since we are in a historic pandemic

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #726 on: December 25, 2020, 02:17:42 PM »
During a pandemic when people don't have jobs, and even if they have jobs but the government can shut down those industries, people are more interested in cash checks, even if usually they side with Republicans and the deficit. You want to have a drop of security in case there is a 3 week shutdown...

And the Republicans better wake up to that realization before they lose Georgia.
I don't disagree, but don't forget handouts are a fundamentally democratic agenda
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline TBD

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Nov 2014
  • Posts: 1316
  • Total likes: 206
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: United States
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #727 on: December 25, 2020, 02:38:56 PM »
I don't disagree, but don't forget handouts are a fundamentally democratic agenda
Both are for Handouts, only difference is:

R' handouts are to help people who are poor D' handouts are to help people stay poor

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #728 on: December 25, 2020, 03:49:01 PM »
Both are for Handouts, only difference is:

R' handouts are to help people who are poor D' handouts are to help people stay poor
Forgiving student loan debt is to help people stay poor, right
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Online yelped

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2015
  • Posts: 10474
  • Total likes: 3833
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 43
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #729 on: December 25, 2020, 03:51:19 PM »
Forgiving student loan debt is to help people stay poor, right
It's to help college keep up the "borrow money to pay for college" scam. College is overpriced and only exists because of all the money the government spends to prop them up. I'm saying this as someone who has a degree.

Online AsherO

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 30K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 30534
  • Total likes: 7831
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 79
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #730 on: December 25, 2020, 04:12:29 PM »
It's to help college keep up the "borrow money to pay for college" scam. College is overpriced and only exists because of all the money the government spends to prop them up. I'm saying this as someone who has a degree.

+1, undergrad college degrees as a filter for competence is a total and utter waste of time and money. It keeps people “in the system” rather than promoting innovation, entrepreneurship, and real-world competition.
100% of Likes will be donated to support our brothers and sisters in Eretz Yisrael

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 17402
  • Total likes: 14339
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #731 on: December 25, 2020, 04:18:31 PM »
During a pandemic when people don't have jobs, and even if they have jobs but the government can shut down those industries, people are more interested in cash checks, even if usually they side with Republicans and the deficit. You want to have a drop of security in case there is a 3 week shutdown...

And the Republicans better wake up to that realization before they lose Georgia.
I can't figure out where you got it from that am R win in GA depends on bigger checks. Who told you that? Some taking head on CNN?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #732 on: December 26, 2020, 08:33:06 PM »
I can't figure out where you got it from that am R win in GA depends on bigger checks. Who told you that? Some taking head on CNN?
It's hard to believe an immediate $2000pp reward won't stimulate strong Democratic turnout and swing some voters. In the meantime the people voting against handouts were mostly staunch Republicans already.

Have a look at this thread for example. How many die-hard Republicans are clamoring for a Democrat style handout? How many would vote for a candidate that will give it to them, in a State that was decided by 10k votes? Now, you don't need to swing Republicans, a minor bump in D turnout can decide the election. There is no shortage of people who don't care at all about the government but would go out of their way to try to get $2k.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 17402
  • Total likes: 14339
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #733 on: December 26, 2020, 08:58:33 PM »
It's hard to believe an immediate $2000pp reward won't stimulate strong Democratic turnout and swing some voters. In the meantime the people voting against handouts were mostly staunch Republicans already.

Have a look at this thread for example. How many die-hard Republicans are clamoring for a Democrat style handout? How many would vote for a candidate that will give it to them, in a State that was decided by 10k votes? Now, you don't need to swing Republicans, a minor bump in D turnout can decide the election. There is no shortage of people who don't care at all about the government but would go out of their way to try to get $2k.
The odds of the Ds getting a similar turnout to a presidential election are VERY small. A very large portion of their constituency votes only in the presidential election.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #734 on: December 26, 2020, 09:18:37 PM »
The odds of the Ds getting a similar turnout to a presidential election are VERY small. A very large portion of their constituency votes only in the presidential election.
The same is true of Republican voters. So far it seems D runoff turnout is closer to general elections than R turnout. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-21/georgia-senate-elections-draw-nearly-1-5-million-early-voters

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1341785340827361282?s=20


But anyways, the question at hand is the impact of a $2000pp prize, especially on people who otherwise wouldn't vote and weren't part of the general elections - there are 2.5m registered voters who didn't vote in the general elections.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline S209

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2016
  • Posts: 7469
  • Total likes: 3930
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Gowns By Shevy
  • Location: Lakewood
  • Programs: Marriott Gold, Star Alliance Gold, Hyatt Explorist, Hertz PC, National EE, Rock Royalty Wild Card, Wyndham Diamond, MLife Gold, Caesars Diamond, Hilton Diamond, Uber VIP, IHG Platinum Elite, ANA Platinum, DDF Lifetime Prez Platinum Elite, AmEx Platinum
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #735 on: December 26, 2020, 09:28:15 PM »
The same is true of Republican voters. So far it seems D runoff turnout is closer to general elections than R turnout. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-21/georgia-senate-elections-draw-nearly-1-5-million-early-voters
MAIL IN FRAUD
Quote from: YitzyS
Quotes in a signature is annoying, as it comes across as an independent post.

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 17402
  • Total likes: 14339
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #736 on: December 26, 2020, 10:49:10 PM »
The same is true of Republican voters. So far it seems D runoff turnout is closer to general elections than R turnout. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-21/georgia-senate-elections-draw-nearly-1-5-million-early-voters

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1341785340827361282?s=20


But anyways, the question at hand is the impact of a $2000pp prize, especially on people who otherwise wouldn't vote and weren't part of the general elections - there are 2.5m registered voters who didn't vote in the general elections.
It makes sense that Rs are shying away from mail in ballots considering the background noise here. There is a very good chance that of that coming back to bite them. Teh difference in stimulus sounds like nothing more than a boich svara though.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #737 on: December 26, 2020, 11:04:09 PM »
It makes sense that Rs are shying away from mail in ballots considering the background noise here. There is a very good chance that of that coming back to bite them. Teh difference in stimulus sounds like nothing more than a boich svara though.
This is talking about in-person early voting not mail in.

Somebody is more likely to do something when there is an immediate $2000 reward. That’s not a boich svara.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 17402
  • Total likes: 14339
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #738 on: December 26, 2020, 11:22:52 PM »
This is talking about in-person early voting not mail in.

Somebody is more likely to do something when there is an immediate $2000 reward. That’s not a boich svara.
That is guarantees one side wins is.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 14958
  • Total likes: 2421
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
« Reply #739 on: December 26, 2020, 11:33:06 PM »
That is guarantees one side wins is.
I don't think anything guarantees a win. There are endless factors involved. I think the call for a $2000 check is going to help Democrats, and Republicans from Trump down are playing into D hands with this.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים