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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #435 on: September 18, 2020, 02:43:03 PM »
Yup. Europe had an easy time for a good few months, now it’s time to crack down again.
They’re not cracking down. They’re deciding to live with the virus like normal people

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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #436 on: September 18, 2020, 02:49:11 PM »
They’re not cracking down. They’re deciding to live with the virus like normal people
You live in a fantasy. Spain & UK are introducing partial lockdowns, & France started rolling back old restrictions.
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #437 on: September 21, 2020, 09:40:59 PM »
Denmark has a case count that is closing in on double the peak in April but still almost no mortality, so still a mixed bag.


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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #438 on: September 21, 2020, 10:45:32 PM »
Denmark has a case count that is closing in on double the peak in April but still almost no mortality, so still a mixed bag.


Deaths tend to lag, let’s see what the numbers look like in a few weeks...
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #439 on: September 21, 2020, 11:28:02 PM »
Did they have enough tests in April? How does the positivity rate compare?
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #441 on: September 22, 2020, 02:17:48 PM »
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/
Of course, anyone who lives in the Jewish community in the tri-state area (or any logical person) knows that claiming proof of herd immunity is complete bunk, and a few months of quiet in no way shape or form means you’ve reached herd immunity. Life is comprised of S-curves.

“Ongoing lockdowns in the UK etc.” is a straw man as well, of course. What is he talking about?

Some of what he said is true and is common knowledge.
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #442 on: September 22, 2020, 03:42:09 PM »
“Ongoing lockdowns in the UK etc.” is a straw man as well, of course. What is he talking about?
The UK is implementing a serious lockdown right now, they said explicitly that it can last for 6 months.
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #443 on: September 22, 2020, 03:58:26 PM »
The UK is implementing a serious lockdown right now, they said explicitly that it can last for 6 months.
The UK is beginning to implement a new lockdown, and I believe they said some of the new restrictions they are putting in place can last 6 months, not a total lockdown (of course). Either way, this is not what the author of that piece was referring to, he referred to ongoing lockdowns.
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #444 on: September 22, 2020, 03:59:16 PM »
The UK is implementing a serious lockdown right now, they said explicitly that it can last for 6 months.
Please define serious lockdown
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #445 on: September 22, 2020, 04:31:26 PM »
Please define serious lockdown
No gatherings larger than 6 people for starters.
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #446 on: Today at 12:13:08 AM »
Sweden positives and deaths are slowly starting to trend up a bit the last few days so they are not necessarily out of the woods yet either.

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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #447 on: Today at 10:02:10 AM »
Sweden positives and deaths are slowly starting to trend up a bit the last few days so they are not necessarily out of the woods yet either.
Exactly. If we’re not closing the book on Denmark, the book on Sweden must remain open as well. As we see happening here, high levels of infection do not mean herd immunity so fast. And thus far, Denmark is light years ahead in terms of total and per capita infections, hospitalizations, and deaths.
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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #448 on: Today at 10:09:16 AM »
Exactly. If we’re not closing the book on Denmark, the book on Sweden must remain open as well. As we see happening here, high levels of infection do not mean herd immunity so fast. And thus far, Denmark is light years ahead in terms of total and per capita infections, hospitalizations, and deaths.
Keep an open mind. The story is far from written yet. It will take years to tally up the cost of nursing home deaths, deaths from avoidance of preventive care and screenings due to lockdowns, psychological mortality and impacts, economic impacts the translate into mortality down the road, and so much more.

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Re: Denmark and Sweden: An apples to apples comparison
« Reply #449 on: Today at 10:41:00 AM »
Keep an open mind. The story is far from written yet. It will take years to tally up the cost of nursing home deaths, deaths from avoidance of preventive care and screenings due to lockdowns, psychological mortality and impacts, economic impacts the translate into mortality down the road, and so much more.
I think we can look at overall mortality in each country as a general number that we can rely on to compare mortality from all causes in the aggregate. Economic impact is also relatively easy to gauge. Psychological, not so much. I assume we’ll notice if there is a major variation between Sweden and Denmark, though.
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