Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?

[CountValentine]

Better late than never but how many lives will it cost? Why are the holdouts R's?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alabama-joins-states-under-coronavirus-stay-at-home-order/ar-BB12bcDX?ocid=spartanntp

[Yehuda57]

Speaking of stupid Rs
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1246489279091691521

We are being led by idiots. It's bipartisan idiocy. Just stop with D 'n R stuff and let it die.

[CountValentine]

Speaking of stupid Rs
We are being led by idiots. It's bipartisan idiocy. Just stop with D 'n R stuff and let it die.

Maybe those who are using other idiots to try and explain all the blunders the WH made should stop?

[Yehuda57]

Maybe those who are using other idiots to try and explain all the blunders the WH made should stop?

Maybe those who are blaming party affiliation for blunders should stop. I've literally posted on this forum that I believe Trump will come out of this with blood on his hands. Your obsession, however, is almost certainly doing *you* harm. Relax, drink something good, and talk about something else.

[CountValentine]

Maybe those who are blaming party affiliation for blunders should stop. I've literally posted on this forum that I believe Trump will come out of this with blood on his hands. Your obsession, however, is almost certainly doing *you* harm. Relax, drink something good, and talk about something else.

I am blaming Trump for the WH blunders. You really think I care if he is a R or D?

I find it odd you giving me advice about obsessions doing more harm than good.

[Yehuda57]

I am blaming Trump for the WH blunders. You really think I care if he is a R or D?

I find it odd you giving me advice about obsessions doing more harm than good.

There's an old chassidic expression that usually people speak about themselves when their true intent is to speak about others. At a farbrengen (do you know that one?), one speaks to others, but is referring to oneself. Today is a farbrengen day.

[CountValentine]

At a farbrengen (do you know that one?), one speaks to others, but is referring to oneself. Today is a farbrengen day.

Yes I know that one and now I understand your comment.

[aygart]

I am blaming Trump for the WH blunders. You really think I care if he is a R or D?

I find it odd you giving me advice about obsessions doing more harm than good.

Why are the holdouts R's?

Seems that is ALL you care about.

[Yehuda57]

Seems that is ALL you care about.

I mean, my comment came immidiately after his mention of R holdouts. Then came the "I'm talking about the WH" response, and around and round we go.

[Dan]

Trump did a terrible job preparing us for this crisis.

His advisors did an even worse job preparing him.

His opposition did an even worse job than all of them in opposing travel bans and logical ways to slow the spread. Had we shut everything down early and ordered companies to make supplies then we'd be in a very different place.

The CDC did an even worse job in opposing masks until Friday. How long will it take until they're mandatory like in 1918?

[shmooz]

Trump did a terrible job preparing us for this crisis.

His advisors did an even worse job preparing him.

His opposition did an even worse job than all of them in opposing travel bans and logical ways to slow the spread. Had we shut everything down early and ordered companies to make supplies then we'd be in a very different place.

The CDC did an even worse job in opposing masks until Friday. How long will it take until they're mandatory like in 1918?

Well said, enough blame for everyone to go around

[CountValentine]

I mean, my comment came immidiately after his mention of R holdouts. Then came the "I'm talking about the WH" response, and around and round we go.

You want to dispute the blunders listed go right ahead. We will leave all other R's and D's out of it.
The only defense in this thread is to drag them into it. 

[Lurker]

This is going to be my last post on this subject, primarily because I enjoy reading @CountValentine's post on other threads, and I don't want this thread to ruin that.

No one claims Trump hasn't made blunders. In fact, to call them just blunders and not colossal f ups does a disservice to the gravity of his errors. The thing is, there are no winners here. Not from the Democrats, the Republicans, or any politician in any country. To keep pointing at Trump's f ups as if he alone is the cause of pain, suffering, and death, or even as if he is more to blame than any of the countless other leaders and doctors who downplayed this over these last few months, shows an unhealthy obsession with one man's stupidity and an unrealistic worldview.

In answer to the question posed as the topic to this thread, yes, the truth will come out about every single f up. It will also come out about every other country on earth, as well as organizations tasked with keeping us safe, such as the WHO and their ilk. In the big picture, since we have no one else to point to, to ask, "Why didn't you handle it like they did," this administration will largely get a pass. Will we blame them? Yes. Will we be pissed? Yes. Will we elect someone else to run things because we feel they would have handled it better? Maybe, but I don't think so.

I think the biggest realization to come out of all this, will be as it says in Tehillim, chapter 146. "Do not trust in princes, in the son of man, who has no salvation. His spirit leaves, he returns to his soil; on that day, his thoughts are lost."

[CountValentine]

His advisors did an even worse job preparing him.

How do you know this? Was the travel ban Trumps idea or did he do it kicking and screaming? We know he loves to ban others from coming to the US unless it is Denmark.

[Dan]

How do you know this? Was the travel ban Trumps idea or did he do it kicking and screaming? We know he loves to ban others from coming to the US unless it is Denmark.

I'm talking about convincing him that COVID-19 would be a disaster and was not the flu.

[CountValentine]

This is going to be my last post on this subject, primarily because I enjoy reading @CountValentine's post on other threads, and I don't want this thread to ruin that.

No need to worry about that.

I think the biggest realization to come out of all this, will be as it says in Tehillim, chapter 146. "Do not trust in princes, in the son of man, who has no salvation. His spirit leaves, he returns to his soil; on that day, his thoughts are lost."

You were on a roll but you just had to add this? 

[SamCan]

How do you know this? Was the travel ban Trumps idea or did he do it kicking and screaming? We know he loves to ban others from coming to the US unless it is Denmark.

Canada put in place a ban against all non citizens, they are run by the left leaning liberals. Maybe banning people to come in isn’t politics, it’s smart.

[CountValentine]

I'm talking about convincing him that COVID-19 would be a disaster and was not the flu.

They can only do so much. I thought they had him convinced then at yesterdays news conference he went off the rails again.

In the end it will come out what he was told and when they told him.

[CountValentine]

Canada put in place a ban against all non citizens, they are run by the left leaning liberals. Maybe banning people to come in isn’t politics, it’s smart.

You need to look at persons history and not just isolated incidents.
I already gave him credit for the ban (without knowing if it was his idea) so you are barking up the wrong tree.

[skyguy918]

It will also come out about every other country on earth, as well as organizations tasked with keeping us safe, such as the WHO and their ilk.

I'm just quoting this as the most recent easily accessible example of this type of comment, not singling out you in particular.

This idea that everyone in every country did a terrible job and therefore you can't single out specific leaders is rubbish. Obviously there are some countries that did a better job than others. That's based on the numbers, that's based on differing situations in different countries (in terms of the circumstances they had to deal with), etc. You're going to tell me SK's leaders didn't do a good job? You're telling me Taiwan and HK didn't do a good job? What about Israel? Not every country and every leader can be put in the same basket. And the fact that others did a bad job is not in any way, shape or form a defense for those that did a bad job. You want to sit there divvying up the blame - go right ahead. But remember that we're supposed to be a country where the buck stops here - on the desk of the head honcho.