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If you need someone to say ask/tell are not the same then impasse is not the problem.
You’re digging your grave deeper. I was being kind by equating our sides and offering judgement to a third party.

Spoiler alert: It’s you in the wrong.
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You’re digging your grave deeper. I was being kind by equating our sides and offering judgement to a third party.

Spoiler alert: It’s you with the comprehension issue.
Would you like to bet they mean the same? Money goes to charity.
I am now going to be blunt. You have lost your mind if you think those two words mean the same thing!!!  :P
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Would you like to bet they mean the same? Money goes to charity.
I am now going to be blunt. You have lost your mind if you think those two words mean the same thing!!!  :P
The words can mean different things in context. The two sentences I offered meant the same thing. Sure I’ll gladly give $10 to the coronavirus charity campaign of your choice from the other thread if someone we agree to judge neutrally says that those sentences don’t mean the same thing.

Here are options that work for me: @Dan @Lurker @Yehuda57 @AsherO @AJK @jj1000 @YitzyS @Euclid @yuneeq @yelped @PlatinumGuy @Ergel (names that come off the top of my head)

Pick any one or more to be judge.
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The words can mean different things in context. The two sentences I offered meant the same thing. Sure I’ll gladly give $10 to the coronavirus charity campaign of your choice from the other thread if someone we agree to judge neutrally says that those sentences don’t mean the same thing.

Here are options that work for me: @Dan @Lurker @Yehuda57 @AsherO @AJK @jj1000 @YitzyS @Euclid @yuneeq @yelped @PlatinumGuy @Ergel (names that come off the top of my head)

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Here is the exact question:

In the context of Trump telling people who work for him to slow down the testing, do the following sentences mean the same thing or are they “totally different”?

I told them to slow down the testing.
I asked them to slow down the testing.
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The words can mean different things in context.
Here we go with the pretzels. There are two words, ask and told. They don't mean the same thing.
Do you want to bet on that or not?
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Here is the exact question:

In the context of Trump telling people who work for him to slow down the testing, do the following sentences mean the same thing or are they “totally different”?

I told them to slow down the testing.
I asked them to slow down the testing.
You would have to know what is in the persons mind. That can't be done but nice try with the pretzel.  :P
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Here we go with the pretzels. There are two words, ask and told. They don't mean the same thing.
Do you want to bet on that or not?
That wasn’t the question, the question was if the sentences mean the same thing. You’re the one twisting into pretzels. The question and answer before was very clear and simple.
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You would have to know what is in the persons mind. That can't be done but nice try with the pretzel.  :P
Oh so now they mean different things depending on what the person meant? The question is what the sentences mean. In English.
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You would have to know what is in the persons mind. That can't be done but nice try with the pretzel.  :P
So to be clear, are you retracting what you said before that they are “totally different”?
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So to be clear, are you retracting what you said before that they are “totally different”?
You lost your mind. The only difference is the two words. They are totally different. Now we can play your games on what "totally" means.
Ask your wife if they are different. When she says they are then tell her they are not.  :P
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Oh so now they mean different things depending on what the person meant? The question is what the sentences mean. In English.
In English the words have two different meanings. I don't care what the person saying them thinks they mean or the person hearing them thinks they mean. All I care about is if in English they mean the same, they don't!!! Now you want to bet or not?
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You lost your mind. The only difference is the two words. They are totally different. Now we can play your games on what "totally" means.
Ask your wife if they are different. When she says they are then tell her they are not.  :P
Words are funny things. They change meaning based on context. Like how change can mean to transform, transformation, or small coins. Fortunately the context in this case was very clear, as we were discussing a very specific sentence.

How’s your pretzel going?
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In English the words have two different meanings. I don't care what the person saying them thinks they mean or the person hearing them thinks they mean. All I care about is if in English they mean the same, they don't!!! Now you want to bet or not?
In English words take on different meanings based on context. What is so hard to understand about that? When they are both being used to replace the word “request”, they mean the same thing.
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In English the words have two different meanings. I don't care what the person saying them thinks they mean or the person hearing them thinks they mean. All I care about is if in English they mean the same, they don't!!! Now you want to bet or not?
Does change mean to transform or does it mean small coins?
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How’s your pretzel going?
Telling or asking have different meanings in the same context.

I asked him to take out the garbage.
I told him to take out the garbage.
They mean two different things. You want to bet or not.
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Does change mean to transform or does it mean small coins?
I asked him to donate his change.
I told him to donate his change.
Same exact context but different meanings. You want to bet now?
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Man, the last time I saw this much back and forth over the meaning of words in English was that little "Chinese virus" thing...  8)

But I kinda want a soft pretzel now.
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Telling or asking have different meanings in the same context.

I asked him to take out the garbage.
I told him to take out the garbage.
They mean two different things. You want to bet or not.
Yes. In your example they mean the same thing (assuming “I” is “him”s boss and is asking “him” to take out the garbage in the course of his work for “I”). Let’s bet. Which judge of those I nominated do you choose?
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Man, the last time I saw this much back and forth over the meaning of words in English was that little "Chinese virus" thing...  8)

But I kinda want a soft pretzel now.
He should shut up or put up!  :)
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Again, this is the *exact* question to be judged.

Please choose the judge, I set the terms earlier. $10 from the loser to the Covid victim page of their choice.
Here is the exact question:

In the context of Trump telling people who work for him to slow down the testing, do the following sentences mean the same thing or are they “totally different”?

I told them to slow down the testing.
I asked them to slow down the testing.
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