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If masks work so well why are people in israel getting corona.... hint they're not that effective.
Actually, I think @yaakov35 is correct. 
Social distancing is much more effective for decreasing corona transmission than wearing masks.
Similarly, driving within the speed limit is much more effective for decreasing highway fatalities than avoiding texting while driving. 

Avoiding texting and wearing masks are not the most effective way to save lives, but they help.

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Actually, I think @yaakov35 is correct. 
Social distancing is much more effective for decreasing corona transmission than wearing masks.
Similarly, driving within the speed limit is much more effective for decreasing highway fatalities than avoiding texting while driving. 

Avoiding texting and wearing masks are not the most effective way to save lives, but they help.
Do you believe you can get the virus from surfaces?
I guess you are not talking about N95 masks?
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Do you believe you can get the virus from surfaces?
I guess you are not talking about N95 masks?
How do those relate to what I wrote?
To rewrite:
Masks add a little extra protection. 
Much greater protection can be had by remaining distant from other people.
Maximal protection requires adding masks to social distancing, but if one could do only one of these, just keeping away from other people would be a better choice than just wearing a mask. 
Agree?

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How do those relate to what I wrote?
Properly wearing masks will help from spreading the virus to another surface. SD will not. You can be 100 feet away and cough and contaminate a surface. Someone can then touch that surface.
Masks add a little extra protection. 
Much greater protection can be had by remaining distant from other people.
Proper masks worn properly add great protection.
Maximal protection requires adding masks to social distancing, but if one could do only one of these, just keeping away from other people would be a better choice than just wearing a mask. 
Agree?
Will have to disagree as SD is not possible in many situations. Wearing masks I would guess is possible in 90+ % of the situations.
ETA: This isn't an either or situation. You wear your seatbelt and drive safely. You can argue which would save more lives but not one over the other.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2020, 10:27:27 AM by CountValentine »
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Properly wearing masks will help from spreading the virus to another surface. SD will not. You can be 100 feet away and cough and contaminate a surface. Someone can then touch that surface.Proper masks worn properly add great protection. Will have to disagree as SD is not possible in many situations. Wearing masks I would guess is possible in 90+ % of the situations.
ETA: This isn't an either or situation. You wear your seatbelt and drive safely. You can argue which would save more lives but not one over the other.
+1
Though I agree with @biobook that strong SD is more important than mask wearing if you had to choose one (especially considering most arenít wearing N95s and donít know how to properly wear them, and especially outdoors)
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Though I agree with @biobook that strong SD is more important than mask wearing if you had to choose one (especially considering most arenít wearing N95s and donít know how to properly wear them, and especially outdoors)
Surgical mask are effective and a no brainer to wear.
If we all wore N95 masks then 15 would have been 0.  ;)
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ETA: This isn't an either or situation. You wear your seatbelt and drive safely. You can argue which would save more lives but not one over the other.
I was presenting it as an either or situation. I was responding to a poster who claimed that masks are "not that effective" and the only way I could imagine him seeing that somewhere was in an either/or discussion.  So I started with that, but tried (not very effectively?) to segue into the more comprehensive answer you gave.

Y'know, the old "Yes, and..." response.

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Wow. Quite an indictment
I wouldnít expect otherwise from a guy who was Jimmy Carterís speechwriter and is a major NPR guy. Long time Trump basher and Biden Worshiper.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2020, 06:24:59 AM by Yard sale »

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I wouldnít expect otherwise from a guy who was Jimmy Carterís speechwriter and is a major NPR guy. Long time Trump basher and Biden Worshiper.
...but is what he wrote accurate?
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...but is what he wrote accurate?
His conclusions do not appear accurate.
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Finally good news

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Finally good news
Put us more at risk is good news, OK.  ::)

15 to 0 didn't work so what is the plan? Hot weather will knock it out didn't work so what is the plan? It will just disappear didn't work so what is the plan? There is no plan and you just have to live with it. 130k deaths and counting!!!
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Put us more at risk is good news, OK.  ::)

15 to 0 didn't work so what is the plan? Hot weather will knock it out didn't work so what is the plan? It will just disappear didn't work so what is the plan? There is no plan and you just have to live with it. 130k deaths and counting!!!
The last thing we need during a pandemic is the WHO giving misinformation and covering up for China all at the US taxpayers expense.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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The last thing we need during a pandemic is the WHO giving misinformation and covering up for China all at the US taxpayers expense.
You only look at things one way. Pulling out is the worse thing you can do.
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You only look at things one way. Pulling out is the worse thing you can do.
Why?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Why?
He makes these snap decisions because he wants to blame someone for all his failures. The WHO has done a ton of good. Yes they have screwed up but you work to fix it.
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Let's look at it another way. What do you gain by pulling out. Saving a few dollars - what impact is that going to have?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.