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IZ = Israel Zion = Maimonides Hospital

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In 1920 Israel Hospital merged with Zion Hospital to form United Israel Zion Hospital, later renamed Israel Zion Hospital. Maimonides Medical Center was formed as a result of the merger of United Israel Zion Hospital and Beth Moses Hospital in 1947.
Hatzolah uses IZ as code for the hospital. So should we. Unless you are really good at spelling.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #440 on: April 13, 2020, 06:36:00 PM »
Rightfully so. But hopefully by the time we see this again in 100 years we’ll have medical technology in place to nip it in the bud.

Lol. We said that 100 years ago by the Spanish flu pandemic. We did have the technology in place to a large degree now. We just were too lazy to put in the investment to actually build the appropriate infrastructure to utilize that technology.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #441 on: April 22, 2020, 03:22:08 PM »
Anybody knows what ever happened to these makeshift hospitals in the yeshivas ? Are they running ?excepting patients ?

https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/northwell-opens-outpatient-care-facility-in-lawrence
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #443 on: April 22, 2020, 04:22:05 PM »
Per Doctor I spoke with today the Maimonides ER is empty...
Unfortunately the ICU is still full.
Know someone that desperately needs to but can’t get in...

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #444 on: April 22, 2020, 06:03:26 PM »
Unfortunately the ICU is still full.
Know someone that desperately needs to but can’t get in...
they should be able to go to another hospital

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #445 on: April 22, 2020, 07:19:54 PM »
Unfortunately the ICU is still full.
Know someone that desperately needs to but can’t get in...
Covid patients stay on respirators much longer than usual pneumonia patients, so the ICUs stay full much longer.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #446 on: April 22, 2020, 08:10:09 PM »
Unfortunately the ICU is still full.
Know someone that desperately needs to but can’t get in...
Where are they located? Do they still need to get a bed? There are beds in NJ
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #447 on: April 22, 2020, 09:52:56 PM »
Better later then never
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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #448 on: November 20, 2020, 11:03:06 AM »

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #449 on: November 20, 2020, 11:44:29 AM »
Any reason a hospital would absolutely refuse to give a young person plasma to try & save her ?
This is a very sad story, for the young woman involved, of course, but also for the family and friends who feel that they were mistreated.  However, there are several good reasons why a hospital might refuse to treat a particular patient with convalescent plasma.

The plasma has antibodies that can neutralize the virus before it damages the body, so if the disease had progressed very quickly in her, it might have been too late for the plasma to have any effect.  The virus might already have caused so much damage to her heart or lungs or kidney, for example, and it would be much more important at that point to use treatments that treat that damage.  In fact, the very first tests of convalescent plasma found that when it was given to the sickest patients, it made them worse.  (You might think of this like someone throwing a lit match towards a house.  You say "Blow out the match!" to prevent a fire.  But once the house catches on fire, you don't say "Let's look for that match and blow it out!  That'll stop the fire!"  No, at that point you need to address the burning house.)

It's also possible that she had some condition that would make the plasma inappropriate for her.  For example, one risk of giving the plasma is that it can cause dangerous blood clotting in the patient.  If she had a condition that made blood clotting a problem, then giving plasma could worsen her condition. 

Covid patients have a variety of different symptoms, and for her symptoms, they might have felt that other treatments would better help her. 

I don't have medical training or experience, but these are a few things that come to mind from reading a little on the topic.  Maybe someone with medical knowledge can comment.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #450 on: November 20, 2020, 11:50:33 AM »
Doctors from other hospitals were trying to intervene. The mayor even got involved. I was told they finally agreed but it was way too late. Terrible tragedy. She just went in midweek. Shalom zachor tonight & immediate family wedding next week.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #451 on: November 20, 2020, 12:25:14 PM »
Maybe she actually had the best care, but was too sick to recover?
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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #452 on: November 20, 2020, 12:26:05 PM »
Doctors from other hospitals were trying to intervene. The mayor even got involved. I was told they finally agreed but it was way too late. Terrible tragedy. She just went in midweek. Shalom zachor tonight & immediate family wedding next week.
The loss of a young wife and mother is devastating for everyone, and their heartache is increased by their suspicion that the doctors could have done more to help her.  Perhaps those doctors and askanim who tried to help earlier could find out from the doctors involved in her care exactly why they did not want to give her plasma.  There may have been a very good medical reason for avoiding it, and if this can be clearly explained to the family, it may provide some small comfort to know that everything reasonable had been done to try to save her life.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #453 on: November 20, 2020, 12:41:56 PM »
Maybe she actually had the best care, but was too sick to recover?
Anythings possible but then why would dr’s from the other hospital be pressuring them to go ahead with it ? I’ve seen firsthand how arrogant they can be (& how mean & disgusting they can behave towards patients). Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if biobook gave us 10 times more info here than they bothered giving the family. I hope to speak to family members over the next 2 weeks & get some more info.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #454 on: November 20, 2020, 01:07:19 PM »
Anythings possible but then why would dr’s from the other hospital be pressuring them to go ahead with it ? I’ve seen firsthand how arrogant they can be (& how mean & disgusting they can behave towards patients). Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if biobook gave us 10 times more info here than they bothered giving the family. I hope to speak to family members over the next 2 weeks & get some more info.
Drs from other hospitals didn't have her complete medical picture. How could they?
Family members, even when talked to by the medical staff, don't always understand the implications of what they're being told.  More importantly, sometimes, when what they're told is bad enough, they don't absorb the conversation and repeat that they haven't been told anything.
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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #455 on: November 20, 2020, 01:46:08 PM »
Anythings possible but then why would dr’s from the other hospital be pressuring them to go ahead with it ? I’ve seen firsthand how arrogant they can be (& how mean & disgusting they can behave towards patients). Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if biobook gave us 10 times more info here than they bothered giving the family. I hope to speak to family members over the next 2 weeks & get some more info.
The mayor pressured them too, and he definitely has no medical expertise.  He was just asking them to do what the family wanted.  Sometimes doctors will do that too.  That is, even if they are 100% certain that a particular treatment is useless in a particular case, they may agree to give it, if it makes the patient or family feel better, and if they think it won't harm the patient.  The other doctors may have been acting for this reason, telling Maimonides in essence, just give it already, even if it won't help her, but like ckmk47 says, they weren't familiar with the details of her condition.  It's possible that the Maimonides doctors had reason to believe that it would actually harm her.  It is also possible that, since it's an experimental drug, they have very limited amounts, and giving it to someone whom it wouldn't help would prevent them from having enough to give to another patient who had a chance of being helped by it because they were in the earlier stages of the disease.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #456 on: November 29, 2020, 11:37:49 AM »
@biobook Here’s what happened. Her Dr’s absolutely wanted her to get plasma. Everybody did, besides one guy at the top who decides protocol. I’ll call him the Butcher of Maimonides. He refused to listen to the dr’s as well as people on the board. There were conferences with dr’s at Mt. Sinai as well as Mayo Clinic so everybody had a very clear picture of her condition. Everybody agreed plasma was the way to go but he refused to bend. Not like he had some better solution to offer. I’m sure her dr’s had a far better picture of her condition than someone sitting on an executive chair in an executive office. A lot of people at the hospital are very upset at him. At the end when he finally agreed they gave her a double dosage in too short a time so who knows what that caused.
This all comes directly from family members, people sitting in on the conferences.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #457 on: November 29, 2020, 12:02:43 PM »
Who ever let's a family member to be taken into maimonides deserves מיתה, I can't understand how yidden really don't care for their family members and still taking them to maimonides, taking them to maimonides is ok,but then when dying all of sudden blaming miaminodes, this is total unrealistic, there is literally nothing new to maimonides,they have been like that for decades , anyone that is caring are not taking their loved ones there

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #458 on: November 29, 2020, 12:03:54 PM »
I don’t know what you’d call this following story. I call it “Maimonides”.
Someone comes into the room & states they need to intubate her. The mother who’s staying with her wants to know on who’s orders. He says Dr. A. She calls Dr. A, it’s ringing & ringing. He finally picks up & says he’s been asleep all night & gave no such orders. He comes running to the hospital. Everyone’s pointing fingers. They finally pinpoint someone who says he meant Dr. B. They call her up & same story. She has no clue what they’re talking about, she never gave such orders. She also came running.
Unbelievable!!

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #459 on: November 29, 2020, 12:09:59 PM »
The entire family are such fine & תמימות׳דיקע people. They keep saying how hashem had a cheshbon & everything went exactly according to His plan.