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IZ = Israel Zion = Maimonides Hospital

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides_Medical_Center:
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In 1920 Israel Hospital merged with Zion Hospital to form United Israel Zion Hospital, later renamed Israel Zion Hospital. Maimonides Medical Center was formed as a result of the merger of United Israel Zion Hospital and Beth Moses Hospital in 1947.
Hatzolah uses IZ as code for the hospital. So should we. Unless you are really good at spelling.
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« Reply #450 on: November 20, 2020, 11:50:33 AM »
Doctors from other hospitals were trying to intervene. The mayor even got involved. I was told they finally agreed but it was way too late. Terrible tragedy. She just went in midweek. Shalom zachor tonight & immediate family wedding next week.

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« Reply #451 on: November 20, 2020, 12:25:14 PM »
Maybe she actually had the best care, but was too sick to recover?

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« Reply #452 on: November 20, 2020, 12:26:05 PM »
Doctors from other hospitals were trying to intervene. The mayor even got involved. I was told they finally agreed but it was way too late. Terrible tragedy. She just went in midweek. Shalom zachor tonight & immediate family wedding next week.
The loss of a young wife and mother is devastating for everyone, and their heartache is increased by their suspicion that the doctors could have done more to help her.  Perhaps those doctors and askanim who tried to help earlier could find out from the doctors involved in her care exactly why they did not want to give her plasma.  There may have been a very good medical reason for avoiding it, and if this can be clearly explained to the family, it may provide some small comfort to know that everything reasonable had been done to try to save her life.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #453 on: November 20, 2020, 12:41:56 PM »
Maybe she actually had the best care, but was too sick to recover?
Anythings possible but then why would drís from the other hospital be pressuring them to go ahead with it ? Iíve seen firsthand how arrogant they can be (& how mean & disgusting they can behave towards patients). Wouldnít be the least bit surprised if biobook gave us 10 times more info here than they bothered giving the family. I hope to speak to family members over the next 2 weeks & get some more info.

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Re: Maimonides
« Reply #454 on: November 20, 2020, 01:07:19 PM »
Anythings possible but then why would drís from the other hospital be pressuring them to go ahead with it ? Iíve seen firsthand how arrogant they can be (& how mean & disgusting they can behave towards patients). Wouldnít be the least bit surprised if biobook gave us 10 times more info here than they bothered giving the family. I hope to speak to family members over the next 2 weeks & get some more info.
Drs from other hospitals didn't have her complete medical picture. How could they?
Family members, even when talked to by the medical staff, don't always understand the implications of what they're being told.  More importantly, sometimes, when what they're told is bad enough, they don't absorb the conversation and repeat that they haven't been told anything.

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« Reply #455 on: November 20, 2020, 01:46:08 PM »
Anythings possible but then why would drís from the other hospital be pressuring them to go ahead with it ? Iíve seen firsthand how arrogant they can be (& how mean & disgusting they can behave towards patients). Wouldnít be the least bit surprised if biobook gave us 10 times more info here than they bothered giving the family. I hope to speak to family members over the next 2 weeks & get some more info.
The mayor pressured them too, and he definitely has no medical expertise.  He was just asking them to do what the family wanted.  Sometimes doctors will do that too.  That is, even if they are 100% certain that a particular treatment is useless in a particular case, they may agree to give it, if it makes the patient or family feel better, and if they think it won't harm the patient.  The other doctors may have been acting for this reason, telling Maimonides in essence, just give it already, even if it won't help her, but like ckmk47 says, they weren't familiar with the details of her condition.  It's possible that the Maimonides doctors had reason to believe that it would actually harm her.  It is also possible that, since it's an experimental drug, they have very limited amounts, and giving it to someone whom it wouldn't help would prevent them from having enough to give to another patient who had a chance of being helped by it because they were in the earlier stages of the disease.