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IZ = Israel Zion = Maimonides Hospital

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In 1920 Israel Hospital merged with Zion Hospital to form United Israel Zion Hospital, later renamed Israel Zion Hospital. Maimonides Medical Center was formed as a result of the merger of United Israel Zion Hospital and Beth Moses Hospital in 1947.
Hatzolah uses IZ as code for the hospital. So should we. Unless you are really good at spelling.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2020, 10:52:28 AM »
But now the illusion is totally gone.

Not if you’re oblivious. Those same attendings might be exhausted and worn, but their ego will likely emerge unscathed. #wishimwrong
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #81 on: March 31, 2020, 10:56:17 AM »
Not if you’re oblivious. Those same attendings might be exhausted and worn, but their ego will likely emerge unscathed. #wishimwrong
Be happy if they only emerge unscathed and not more inflated.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2020, 11:03:58 AM »
Be happy if they only emerge unscathed and not more inflated.
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« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2020, 11:05:41 AM »
Not if you’re oblivious. Those same attendings might be exhausted and worn, but their ego will likely emerge unscathed. #wishimwrong
This. “I worked like Superman to save the world”
Be happy if they only emerge unscathed and not more inflated.
I am not talking about them, I am talking about us. We need to rely only on Hashem.

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« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2020, 11:06:39 AM »
I am not talking about them, I am talking about us. We need to rely only on Hashem.

Of course. And that’s true even if G-d willing we’re all home, safe and healthy.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #85 on: March 31, 2020, 11:37:28 AM »
I don't understand why the people of Boro Park think they're special and entitled to have visitors in the hospital right now, to the extent that theyre fighting with the administration and even sneaking in right now against guidance. I went through the Top 10 Hospitals on USNews, and NOT A SINGLE ONE is allowing visitors right now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/covid-19/rochester
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-latest-updates#visitor
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/visitor-guidelines.html
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/landing/preparing-for-coronavirus#visitor-restrictions-tab
https://www.nyp.org/coronavirus-information/coronavirus-visitor-policy-change
https://www.uclahealth.org/covid-19-visitor-restrictions
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/for-visitors/visitor-restrictions-due-to-coronavirus
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/patients-visitors/covid-19/visitor-policy-updates.html
https://nyulangone.org/patient-family-support/visiting-hours?iid=int_org_hp_hero_covid19_visitor_policy
https://www.nm.org/conditions-and-care-areas/infectious-disease/covid-19


These guidelines, while difficult for patients and families, are in place for everyones protection. By going and sneaking in, as alleged above, you are risking cross contaminating and infecting non-covid patients that are currently in the hospital, hospital employees, and your community when you leave.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2020, 11:38:38 AM »
I don't understand why the people of Boro Park think they're special and entitled
Say no more.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2020, 11:43:21 AM »
There is no reason to believe that Maimo is specifically targeting Jews or any group for substandard care for this moment. They are simply overwhelmed right now, as every other hospital in NYC is right now, and trying their best to provide some semblance of care. Many of their ER doctors have posted in Twitter that a lot of their ED staff called out sick last week and they were significantly understaffed. You should all stop spreading baseless rumors, or stories from your brother-in-laws, uncles, friend; or seek your hospital care at another hospital in nyc thats able to provide VIP care at this time.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2020, 12:08:22 PM »
There is no reason to believe that Maimo is specifically targeting Jews or any group for substandard care for this moment. They are simply overwhelmed right now, as every other hospital in NYC is right now, and trying their best to provide some semblance of care. Many of their ER doctors have posted in Twitter that a lot of their ED staff called out sick last week and they were significantly understaffed. You should all stop spreading baseless rumors, or stories from your brother-in-laws, uncles, friend; or seek your hospital care at another hospital in nyc thats able to provide VIP care at this time.
Pretty simple.

Everyone knows that it's not advisable to leave a patient in a hospital without a family member. There are organizations that send volunteers to stay with patients so family members can get some rest.

The current situation has totally uprooted it. There is good reason to believe that the level of care has dropped dramatically. So as soon as terrible stories start surfacing, along with BP Hatzolah taking patients elsewhere, ppl are complaining about not being able to "see" the situation first-hand and are demanding entrance. It has nothing to do with entitlement.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2020, 12:18:21 PM »
Pretty simple.

Everyone knows that it's not advisable to leave a patient in a hospital without a family member. There are organizations that send volunteers to stay with patients so family members can get some rest.

The current situation has totally uprooted it. There is good reason to believe that the level of care has dropped dramatically. So as soon as terrible stories start surfacing, along with BP Hatzolah taking patients elsewhere, ppl are complaining about not being able to "see" the situation first-hand and are demanding entrance. It has nothing to do with entitlement.

Yes, this is all true - but this is true for every demographic that walks into a hospital, not just Jews in Boro Park. Yet the hospitals have universally taken the unprecedented move of banning visitors; this is not because they have something to hide, its because its ridiculous to believe that a sitter will actually sit in the patients room for the duration of the stay and not just be a roving fomite around the hospital. All people are receiving a standard of care thats not on par with non-crisis situations because thats what happens in triage.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2020, 12:21:21 PM »
I don't understand why the people of Boro Park think they're special and entitled to have visitors in the hospital right now, to the extent that theyre fighting with the administration and even sneaking in right now against guidance. I went through the Top 10 Hospitals on USNews, and NOT A SINGLE ONE is allowing visitors right now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/covid-19/rochester
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-latest-updates#visitor
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/visitor-guidelines.html
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/landing/preparing-for-coronavirus#visitor-restrictions-tab
https://www.nyp.org/coronavirus-information/coronavirus-visitor-policy-change
https://www.uclahealth.org/covid-19-visitor-restrictions
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/for-visitors/visitor-restrictions-due-to-coronavirus
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/patients-visitors/covid-19/visitor-policy-updates.html
https://nyulangone.org/patient-family-support/visiting-hours?iid=int_org_hp_hero_covid19_visitor_policy
https://www.nm.org/conditions-and-care-areas/infectious-disease/covid-19


These guidelines, while difficult for patients and families, are in place for everyones protection. By going and sneaking in, as alleged above, you are risking cross contaminating and infecting non-covid patients that are currently in the hospital, hospital employees, and your community when you leave.
All hospitals should allow one companion.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2020, 12:23:41 PM »
All hospitals should allow one companion.

Im glad that you have more insight into public health than the individuals that run those institutions.

And if you actually do think youre more insightful than them regarding this topic, dont go running to Cleveland Clinic to 'see an expert' when someone in your family has cancer.
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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2020, 12:26:44 PM »
Im glad that you have more insight into public health than the individuals that run those institutions.

And if you actually do think youre smarter than them, dont go running to Cleveland Clinic to 'see an expert' when someone in your family has cancer.
Huh? calm down. It is not a medical decision to ban a companion.
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« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2020, 12:30:18 PM »

I don't understand why the people of Boro Park think they're special and entitled to have visitors in the hospital right now, to the extent that theyre fighting with the administration and even sneaking in right now against guidance. I went through the Top 10 Hospitals on USNews, and NOT A SINGLE ONE is allowing visitors right now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/covid-19/rochester
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-latest-updates#visitor
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/visitor-guidelines.html
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/landing/preparing-for-coronavirus#visitor-restrictions-tab
https://www.nyp.org/coronavirus-information/coronavirus-visitor-policy-change
https://www.uclahealth.org/covid-19-visitor-restrictions
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/for-visitors/visitor-restrictions-due-to-coronavirus
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/patients-visitors/covid-19/visitor-policy-updates.html
https://nyulangone.org/patient-family-support/visiting-hours?iid=int_org_hp_hero_covid19_visitor_policy
https://www.nm.org/conditions-and-care-areas/infectious-disease/covid-19


These guidelines, while difficult for patients and families, are in place for everyones protection. By going and sneaking in, as alleged above, you are risking cross contaminating and infecting non-covid patients that are currently in the hospital, hospital employees, and your community when you leave.
This has nothing to do with entitlement. This has to do with ensuring that your loved ones are safe. You want to believe that what's going on in the Cleveland Clinic is the same as Maimonides? A mediocre hospital during the best of times is falling apart right now. Patients' families are allowed to ensure they are getting some care. Someone I know refused to go to a local hospital because when he was there last week they did nothing for him. Was convinced to go to a different hospital because he had double pneumonia. Yes, there is triage situation, but some hospitals are worse than others.

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« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2020, 12:30:25 PM »
Huh? calm down. It is not a medical decision to ban a companion.

It 100% is - and thats what you dont seem to understand. Visitors to hospitals are fomites. The employees themselves have a hard enough time not spreading infection with the lack of PPE. They definitely dont have the ability to prevent visitors from spreading infection right now.
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« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2020, 12:31:24 PM »
It 100% is - and thats what you dont seem to understand. Visitors to hospitals are fomites. The employees themselves have a hard enough time not spreading infection with the lack of PPE. They definitely dont have the ability to prevent visitors from spreading infection right now.

Why did Coumo overrule the hospitals to let a partner in the delivery room, is he smarter than the people that run those institutions? Is he allowed to run to Cleveland clinic if he has cancer? 

There are major issues when family has no access to the patients and you have to take that into account.

They can have rules that visitors cannot leave the room, only allow one per day or even less than that, etc.
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« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2020, 12:33:34 PM »
This has nothing to do with entitlement. This has to do with ensuring that your loved ones are safe. You want to believe that what's going on in the Cleveland Clinic is the same as Maimonides? A mediocre hospital during the best of times is falling apart right now. Patients' families are allowed to ensure they are getting some care. Someone I know refused to go to a local hospital because when he was there last week they did nothing for him. Was convinced to go to a different hospital because he had double pneumonia. Yes, there is triage situation, but some hospitals are worse than others.

I agree that Maimo, a hospital that isn't a first rate instituation to begin with, may not be the best place to be in a crisis. My issue is with people here claiming that they're being specifically targeted. If you dont like it, go to one of the big 4 city hospitals-but they too are overwhelmed right now; see here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-langone-tells-er-doctors-to-think-more-critically-about-who-gets-ventilators-11585618990
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« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2020, 12:35:29 PM »
Why did Coumo overrule the hospitals to let a partner in the delivery room, is he smarter than the people that run those institutions? Is he allowed to run to Cleveland clinic if he has cancer? 

There are major issues when family has no access to the patients and you have to take that into account.

It is much easier to keep a partner inside a labor delivery room, than it is to keep a visitor inside the room of a covid patient. Ones a day or less, ones a few weeks. Also, the covid patient is positive for covid, while the woman in labor is presumptively not.

The hospitals still didnt want it because of the risk. But the tradeoffs are less.
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« Reply #98 on: March 31, 2020, 12:36:38 PM »
Yes, this is all true - but this is true for every demographic that walks into a hospital, not just Jews in Boro Park. Yet the hospitals have universally taken the unprecedented move of banning visitors; this is not because they have something to hide, its because its ridiculous to believe that a sitter will actually sit in the patients room for the duration of the stay and not just be a roving fomite around the hospital. All people are receiving a standard of care thats not on par with non-crisis situations because thats what happens in triage.
Nowhere in my posts or even in the majority of posts overall are they accused of being anti Jews. Just failing miserably at health care. And that's the reason ppl are demanding access here more then in other hospitals.

The fact that Hatzolah is taking patients elsewhere only reinforces that concern.

Now just imagine the nightmares all these ppl with loved ones are having...

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« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2020, 12:38:03 PM »
It is much easier to keep a partner inside a labor delivery room, than it is to keep a visitor inside the room of a covid patient. Ones a day or less, ones a few weeks. Also, the covid patient is positive for covid, while the woman in labor is presumptively not.

The hospitals still didnt want it because of the risk. But the tradeoffs are less.
They can impose strict rules that don't allow people to leave the room, only allow one per day or even less than that, etc.