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IZ = Israel Zion = Maimonides Hospital

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In 1920 Israel Hospital merged with Zion Hospital to form United Israel Zion Hospital, later renamed Israel Zion Hospital. Maimonides Medical Center was formed as a result of the merger of United Israel Zion Hospital and Beth Moses Hospital in 1947.
Hatzolah uses IZ as code for the hospital. So should we. Unless you are really good at spelling.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2020, 12:21:21 PM »
I don't understand why the people of Boro Park think they're special and entitled to have visitors in the hospital right now, to the extent that theyre fighting with the administration and even sneaking in right now against guidance. I went through the Top 10 Hospitals on USNews, and NOT A SINGLE ONE is allowing visitors right now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/covid-19/rochester
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-latest-updates#visitor
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/visitor-guidelines.html
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/landing/preparing-for-coronavirus#visitor-restrictions-tab
https://www.nyp.org/coronavirus-information/coronavirus-visitor-policy-change
https://www.uclahealth.org/covid-19-visitor-restrictions
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/for-visitors/visitor-restrictions-due-to-coronavirus
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/patients-visitors/covid-19/visitor-policy-updates.html
https://nyulangone.org/patient-family-support/visiting-hours?iid=int_org_hp_hero_covid19_visitor_policy
https://www.nm.org/conditions-and-care-areas/infectious-disease/covid-19


These guidelines, while difficult for patients and families, are in place for everyones protection. By going and sneaking in, as alleged above, you are risking cross contaminating and infecting non-covid patients that are currently in the hospital, hospital employees, and your community when you leave.
All hospitals should allow one companion.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2020, 12:23:41 PM »
All hospitals should allow one companion.

Im glad that you have more insight into public health than the individuals that run those institutions.

And if you actually do think youre more insightful than them regarding this topic, dont go running to Cleveland Clinic to 'see an expert' when someone in your family has cancer.
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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2020, 12:26:44 PM »
Im glad that you have more insight into public health than the individuals that run those institutions.

And if you actually do think youre smarter than them, dont go running to Cleveland Clinic to 'see an expert' when someone in your family has cancer.
Huh? calm down. It is not a medical decision to ban a companion.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2020, 12:30:18 PM »

I don't understand why the people of Boro Park think they're special and entitled to have visitors in the hospital right now, to the extent that theyre fighting with the administration and even sneaking in right now against guidance. I went through the Top 10 Hospitals on USNews, and NOT A SINGLE ONE is allowing visitors right now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/covid-19/rochester
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-latest-updates#visitor
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/visitor-guidelines.html
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/landing/preparing-for-coronavirus#visitor-restrictions-tab
https://www.nyp.org/coronavirus-information/coronavirus-visitor-policy-change
https://www.uclahealth.org/covid-19-visitor-restrictions
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/for-visitors/visitor-restrictions-due-to-coronavirus
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/patients-visitors/covid-19/visitor-policy-updates.html
https://nyulangone.org/patient-family-support/visiting-hours?iid=int_org_hp_hero_covid19_visitor_policy
https://www.nm.org/conditions-and-care-areas/infectious-disease/covid-19


These guidelines, while difficult for patients and families, are in place for everyones protection. By going and sneaking in, as alleged above, you are risking cross contaminating and infecting non-covid patients that are currently in the hospital, hospital employees, and your community when you leave.
This has nothing to do with entitlement. This has to do with ensuring that your loved ones are safe. You want to believe that what's going on in the Cleveland Clinic is the same as Maimonides? A mediocre hospital during the best of times is falling apart right now. Patients' families are allowed to ensure they are getting some care. Someone I know refused to go to a local hospital because when he was there last week they did nothing for him. Was convinced to go to a different hospital because he had double pneumonia. Yes, there is triage situation, but some hospitals are worse than others.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2020, 12:30:25 PM »
Huh? calm down. It is not a medical decision to ban a companion.

It 100% is - and thats what you dont seem to understand. Visitors to hospitals are fomites. The employees themselves have a hard enough time not spreading infection with the lack of PPE. They definitely dont have the ability to prevent visitors from spreading infection right now.
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« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2020, 12:31:24 PM »
It 100% is - and thats what you dont seem to understand. Visitors to hospitals are fomites. The employees themselves have a hard enough time not spreading infection with the lack of PPE. They definitely dont have the ability to prevent visitors from spreading infection right now.

Why did Coumo overrule the hospitals to let a partner in the delivery room, is he smarter than the people that run those institutions? Is he allowed to run to Cleveland clinic if he has cancer? 

There are major issues when family has no access to the patients and you have to take that into account.

They can have rules that visitors cannot leave the room, only allow one per day or even less than that, etc.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2020, 12:33:34 PM »
This has nothing to do with entitlement. This has to do with ensuring that your loved ones are safe. You want to believe that what's going on in the Cleveland Clinic is the same as Maimonides? A mediocre hospital during the best of times is falling apart right now. Patients' families are allowed to ensure they are getting some care. Someone I know refused to go to a local hospital because when he was there last week they did nothing for him. Was convinced to go to a different hospital because he had double pneumonia. Yes, there is triage situation, but some hospitals are worse than others.

I agree that Maimo, a hospital that isn't a first rate instituation to begin with, may not be the best place to be in a crisis. My issue is with people here claiming that they're being specifically targeted. If you dont like it, go to one of the big 4 city hospitals-but they too are overwhelmed right now; see here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-langone-tells-er-doctors-to-think-more-critically-about-who-gets-ventilators-11585618990
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2020, 12:35:29 PM »
Why did Coumo overrule the hospitals to let a partner in the delivery room, is he smarter than the people that run those institutions? Is he allowed to run to Cleveland clinic if he has cancer? 

There are major issues when family has no access to the patients and you have to take that into account.

It is much easier to keep a partner inside a labor delivery room, than it is to keep a visitor inside the room of a covid patient. Ones a day or less, ones a few weeks. Also, the covid patient is positive for covid, while the woman in labor is presumptively not.

The hospitals still didnt want it because of the risk. But the tradeoffs are less.
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« Reply #98 on: March 31, 2020, 12:36:38 PM »
Yes, this is all true - but this is true for every demographic that walks into a hospital, not just Jews in Boro Park. Yet the hospitals have universally taken the unprecedented move of banning visitors; this is not because they have something to hide, its because its ridiculous to believe that a sitter will actually sit in the patients room for the duration of the stay and not just be a roving fomite around the hospital. All people are receiving a standard of care thats not on par with non-crisis situations because thats what happens in triage.
Nowhere in my posts or even in the majority of posts overall are they accused of being anti Jews. Just failing miserably at health care. And that's the reason ppl are demanding access here more then in other hospitals.

The fact that Hatzolah is taking patients elsewhere only reinforces that concern.

Now just imagine the nightmares all these ppl with loved ones are having...

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2020, 12:38:03 PM »
It is much easier to keep a partner inside a labor delivery room, than it is to keep a visitor inside the room of a covid patient. Ones a day or less, ones a few weeks. Also, the covid patient is positive for covid, while the woman in labor is presumptively not.

The hospitals still didnt want it because of the risk. But the tradeoffs are less.
They can impose strict rules that don't allow people to leave the room, only allow one per day or even less than that, etc.

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« Reply #100 on: March 31, 2020, 12:40:15 PM »
Nowhere in my posts or even in the majority of posts overall are they accused of being anti Jews. Just failing miserably at health care. And that's the reason ppl are demanding access here more then in other hospitals.

The fact that Hatzolah is taking patients elsewhere only reinforces that concern.

Now just imagine the nightmares all these ppl with loved ones are having...

While I wasnt specifically referring to your posts, the tenor of many of them insinuate that jews were being targeted. They are overwhelmed - thats the reality. Having a family member in there right now screaming at the nurse to pay more attention to their relative will definitely not be in the greatest common interest for all patients.
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« Reply #101 on: March 31, 2020, 12:43:46 PM »
They can impose strict rules that don't allow people to leave the room, only allow one per day or even less than that, etc.

1 - having spent a lot of time in hospitals, this is untenable. People dont follow directions, and the staff right now cant be taxed with policing this

2- How does this work. Does the hospital have to provide the visitor their precious PPE, or does the visitor provide their own. How does the visitor than leave at the end of the day? Does he get picked up in an Uber and spread it to the driver. Does he then go home and spread it to his family.

3 - I referenced 10 of the top hospitals in the US that have instituted this policy now. This isnt a Maimo issue. This isnt a boro park issue. There are many smart people at these institutions that clearly realized it wasnt tenable to allow visitors at this time.
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« Reply #102 on: March 31, 2020, 12:43:51 PM »
While I wasnt specifically referring to your posts, the tenor of many of them insinuate that jews were being targeted. They are overwhelmed - thats the reality. Having a family member in there right now screaming at the nurse to pay more attention to their relative will definitely not be in the greatest common interest for all patients.
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You are disagreeing with the fundamental concept that has been proven and recommended for years.

I'm not disagreeing that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed, but it would definitely be better.

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« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2020, 12:48:34 PM »
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You are disagreeing with the fundamental concept that has been proven and recommended for years.

I'm not disagreeing that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed, but it would definitely be better.

The concept that a visitor may improve care, is specifically for the patient of that visitor. It has deleterious affects on the flow on a hospital floor, and those are exacerbated in this type of situation. This can arguably circle back and harm the very patient youre trying to help.

Moreover, are you going to only allow visitors to covid patients and not allow to non covid patients? How do you prevent a visitor from infecting a non-covid patient - many who are in a hospital already and immunocomprimised.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #104 on: March 31, 2020, 12:51:11 PM »
Why did Coumo overrule the hospitals to let a partner in the delivery room,

Because he is a politician?
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