Update from a respected BP Hatzolah Paramedic. ( Chesky Rosenberg )
Serious changes have been made to Maimonides.
https://soundcloud.com/user-214931049/hatzolah-of-bp-chesky-rosenberg
HT @CHFF
I have been thinking about replying but I didn't want to.
For background I have probably been to 250 through my life
Trust me there's nothing to boast about there I'm just trying to give you an understanding.
30 surgeries in And one get some pretty good understanding of the medical system.
I personally count about 50 doctors as my friends and communicate with them regularly
I keep in touch with about 20 of my doctors and surgeons some of whom are the leaders in their field in the world.
In general, doctors work very hard.. call isn't fun, you get women up at 3am.. If you don't answer your phone they will then call your wife..
I would say that most doctors find the balance. When the world is normal.
When doctors warn of risks and are ignored, they are frustrated and angry. They know what they, the hospitals, staff etc can handle.
The medical staff, equipment and facilities are stretched.
I'm sure there's blame on both sides, but it's frustrating to see.
And you want family members in an over crowded hospital telling over worked doctors how to do their jobs?
So one guy reads something on WhatsApp or the internet and makes the doctors meshuga and prevents them from doing their jobs?
I'm not saying this is happening but judging by the stupidity that I get forwarded or that I read in comments on various news sites I kind of feel bad for what the doctors might have to go through.
In normal times if CV a person has cancer, they can discuss the treatment with the doctors they can transfer to another facility try various stuff.
I knew this would happen.
A few times I had surgery at Mount Sinai in Manhattan, maybe 13-15 years ago.
They were so understaffed, The only way that I could get somebody to come in even after pressing the button a million times would be to clog the IV line up and set of the alarm.
And then I read a comment about the need for rabbanic authority.
So doctors are just a bunch of schlepers?
First we ignore them when they say do this and do that because only rabbanim can decide and know you want doctors to listen to rabbanim?
I'm not attacking anybody but this is the real world respect is a two-way street. Respect the doctors
It's v'rofeh yerapeh. Listen to doctors.
They don't deserve this. A friend is in isolation from his family for a month working 18 hours a day.
You should know that the mental anguish and toll it has on doctors to lose patient's.
If you listen to the audio of my post you'll see that Maimonides acknowledged that they made mistakes and are changing the floor rules.
Not disagreeing with everything you said, but to me as soon as it was reported that Hatzola was diverting patients, I knew that something was up.
Are you saying we should leave it up to the Dr to make decisions about pulling the plug? That's the only time anyone mentioned rabbanim in this thread.
Exactly. And according to the message above it seems like hospitals can pull the plug on vents after 5-7 days regardless if they need them or not. And many hospitals are already doing that.
I have a family member in a different hospital that just got notification that they will be pulling the vent. השם ישמר
Sorry, but it's out-of-context quotes like these that drive me friggin crazy. Please don't quote any Rov or Posek on a situation that isn't covid-19 and try to extrapolate what that could possibly mean in our situation. There are over 1000 people dead TODAY, IN THIS COUNTRY, from this. This is not a sugya you're arguing with your chavrusa over in Bais Medrash.
Didn't realize that the Torah is no longer dictating Jewish life because of CONVID-19.
I guess I'm coming for my cheeseburger, McDonald's..