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IZ = Israel Zion = Maimonides Hospital

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In 1920 Israel Hospital merged with Zion Hospital to form United Israel Zion Hospital, later renamed Israel Zion Hospital. Maimonides Medical Center was formed as a result of the merger of United Israel Zion Hospital and Beth Moses Hospital in 1947.
Hatzolah uses IZ as code for the hospital. So should we. Unless you are really good at spelling.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #300 on: April 01, 2020, 12:58:44 PM »
Why don't people go in and volunteer?!?
They don’t allow anybody in.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #301 on: April 01, 2020, 01:00:17 PM »
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How many of the younger generation do you think are really going to go for this? I'm not going to single out frum people. It's an entitlement generation.

as far as they are concerned the medical industry is a trillion-dollar industry that is making money off of this doctors and nurses are getting paid so let them do their job and we can get sick on our government funded insuranx.

Oh but save the planet!

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #302 on: April 01, 2020, 01:09:44 PM »
How many of the younger generation do you think are really going to go for this? I'm not going to single out frum people. It's an entitlement generation.

as far as they are concerned the medical industry is a trillion-dollar industry that is making money off of this doctors and nurses are getting paid so let them do their job and we can get sick on our government funded insuranx.

Oh but save the planet!
We are talking about people who had jobs but we're furloughed or laid off. It's likely that they are willing to work

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #303 on: April 01, 2020, 01:14:28 PM »
We are talking about people who had jobs but we're furloughed or laid off. It's likely that they are willing to work

Depends on how far the CARES act carries (no pun intended) them. If they can get by with unemployment and the stimulus check, staying home and goofing off for a few months might feel safer/easier.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #304 on: April 01, 2020, 01:17:02 PM »
Depends on how far the CARES act carries (no pun intended) them. If they can get by with unemployment and the stimulus check, staying home and goofing off for a few months might feel safer/easier.

Yup. Why would they leave the couch?
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #305 on: April 01, 2020, 01:21:39 PM »
Yup. Why would they leave the couch?
You kidding? I for one would jump at the ability to work.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #306 on: April 01, 2020, 01:23:00 PM »
They need qualified medical professionals. People who know their protocols (even in these challenging times). People who know their systems and modes of communication. Taking people off the street sounds unlikely, even negligent.

There are people ready

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #307 on: April 01, 2020, 01:37:02 PM »
You kidding? I for one would jump at the ability to work.
For less money than staying home?
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #308 on: April 01, 2020, 01:41:47 PM »
If hospitals were able to decently protect their personnel, maybe more people would be interested. Friend's husband is an anesthesiologist who was put on shift  in ICU due to no elective surgeries. They gave him a mask that didn't fit and said tough luck.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #309 on: April 01, 2020, 02:16:46 PM »
Right, wrong, or indifferent, such things will have an effect on the healthcare workers.


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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #310 on: April 01, 2020, 02:23:27 PM »


Update from a respected BP Hatzolah Paramedic. ( Chesky Rosenberg )

Serious changes have been made to Maimonides.

https://soundcloud.com/user-214931049/hatzolah-of-bp-chesky-rosenberg

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I have been thinking about replying but I didn't want to.

For background I have probably been to 250 through my life
Trust me there's nothing to boast about there I'm just trying to give you an understanding.

30 surgeries in And one get some pretty good understanding of the medical system.

I personally count about 50 doctors as my friends and communicate with them regularly

I keep in touch with about 20 of my doctors and surgeons some of whom are the leaders  in their field in the world.

In general, doctors work very hard.. call isn't fun, you get women up at 3am.. If you don't answer your phone they will then call your wife..

I would say that most doctors find the balance.  When the world is normal.

When doctors warn of risks and are ignored, they are frustrated and angry. They know what they, the hospitals, staff etc can handle.

The medical staff, equipment and facilities are stretched.

I'm sure there's blame on both sides, but it's frustrating to see.

And you want family members in an over crowded hospital telling over worked doctors how to do their jobs?

So one guy reads something on WhatsApp or the internet and makes the doctors meshuga and prevents them from doing their jobs?

I'm not saying this is happening but judging by the stupidity that I get forwarded or that I read in comments on various news sites I kind of feel bad for what the doctors might have to go through.

In normal times if CV a person has cancer, they can discuss the treatment with the doctors they can transfer to another facility try various stuff.

I knew this would happen.

A few times I had surgery at Mount Sinai in Manhattan, maybe 13-15 years ago.

They were so understaffed, The only way that I could get somebody to come in even after pressing the button a million times would be to clog the IV line up and set of the alarm.

And then I read a comment about the need for rabbanic authority.

So doctors are just a bunch of schlepers?

First we ignore them when they say do this and do that because only rabbanim can decide and know you want doctors to listen to rabbanim?

I'm not attacking anybody but this is the real world respect is a two-way street. Respect the doctors

It's v'rofeh yerapeh. Listen to doctors.

They don't deserve this. A friend is in isolation from his family for a month working 18 hours a day.

You should know that the mental anguish and toll it has on doctors to lose patient's.


If you listen to the audio of my post you'll see that    Maimonides acknowledged that they made mistakes and are changing the floor rules.

Not disagreeing with everything you said, but to me as soon as it was reported that Hatzola was diverting patients, I knew that something was up.

Are you saying we should leave it up to the Dr to make decisions about pulling the plug? That's the only time anyone mentioned rabbanim in this thread.

Exactly. And according to the message above it seems like hospitals can pull the plug on vents after 5-7 days regardless if they need them or not. And many hospitals are already doing that.

I have a family member in a different hospital that just got notification that they will be pulling the vent. השם ישמר

Sorry, but it's out-of-context quotes like these that drive me friggin crazy. Please don't quote any Rov or Posek on a situation that isn't covid-19 and try to extrapolate what that could possibly mean in our situation. There are over 1000 people dead TODAY, IN THIS COUNTRY, from this. This is not a sugya you're arguing with your chavrusa over in Bais Medrash.

Didn't realize that the Torah is no longer dictating Jewish life because of CONVID-19.

I guess I'm coming for my cheeseburger, McDonald's..


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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #311 on: April 01, 2020, 02:38:02 PM »
Didn't realize that the Torah is no longer dictating Jewish life because of CONVID-19.

I guess I'm coming for my cheeseburger, McDonald's..

Who said anything about not listening to Torah? I commented specifically on out-of-context quotes, such as a psak Rav Moshe gave 50 years ago about a distantly related topic.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #312 on: April 01, 2020, 02:38:41 PM »


Didn't realize that the Torah is no longer dictating Jewish life because of CONVID-19.

I guess I'm coming for my cheeseburger, McDonald's..

That wasnt at all what he was saying. He was saying that if you *are* actually following halacha, its still hard to extrapolate how a hypothetical sugya/lamdus gets applied practically, the same way you cant just apply a tosfos in sandedrin on rodef to a practical sheilah on abortion.
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #313 on: April 01, 2020, 02:56:39 PM »
Who said anything about not listening to Torah? I commented specifically on out-of-context quotes, such as a psak Rav Moshe gave 50 years ago about a distantly related topic.

Correct. It probably can't be applied directly to the current situation. But any posek that is the position to write psak now will use the psak from Reb Moshe and others and see how it would fit into the COVID 19 scenario

That wasnt at all what he was saying. He was saying that if you *are* actually following halacha, its still hard to extrapolate how a hypothetical sugya/lamdus gets applied practically, the same way you cant just apply a tosfos in sandedrin on rodef to a practical sheilah on abortion.

Correct. That's why there is a huge difference between a Rosh Yeshiva and a Posek

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #314 on: April 01, 2020, 05:25:12 PM »

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #315 on: April 01, 2020, 05:27:52 PM »
not MMC but
CONFIRMED: Kimball pulling the plug for patients not improving after a number of days....they say they simply need the machines. NYC already doing DNR’s and pulling plugs without requiring family approval....
Is the policy at NYC hospitals only "for patients not improving after a number of days"?

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #316 on: April 01, 2020, 05:42:48 PM »
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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #317 on: April 01, 2020, 05:48:11 PM »
Any real source?
I think he meant that tweet isn't about Maimonides Medical Center
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #318 on: April 01, 2020, 06:07:35 PM »
not MMC but

https://twitter.com/GreaterLakewood/status/1245428809177993221
According to Chesky Rosenberg they have such a commitment from Maimonides as long as they have vents available.
Is the policy at NYC hospitals only "for patients not improving after a number of days"?
It's the guidelines. Doesn't mean that they have to do it but many hospitals are doing it already.
Any real source?

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Re: Maimonidies
« Reply #319 on: April 01, 2020, 06:23:10 PM »
I think he meant that tweet isn't about Maimonides Medical Center
I was question if there is a real source for KMC.
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