Masks

[CountValentine]

ETA: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/infection-control/distancing-isn-t-helping-you-indoor-covid-19-exposure-risk-same-at-6-60-feet-mit-researcher-says.html

Are they saying masks do help?

However, the study did note that mask use by both infected and susceptible people reduces "respiratory plumes" and thus increases the amount of time people may safely spend together indoors.

[bochur22]

Are they saying masks do help?

However, the study did note that mask use by both infected and susceptible people reduces "respiratory plumes" and thus increases the amount of time people may safely spend together indoors.

No quote was made by me on this subject (Yet)

[CountValentine]

Please show where I said that. I agreed locking people in their homes limits spread. I just didn't agree with the Holy Grail "Social Distancing" of 6 feet beamed down by the Fauci on high. I pointed out that it was outdated and ineffective. I said there was no scientific basis for 6 feet. I didn't say you won't have lower spread if no one can leave their home.

Lets start over so we are on the same page. Does SD help? Not asking it if it prevents but if it helps.

[CountValentine]

No quote was made by me on this subject (Yet)

I am asking according to the study you posted. It seems clear to me it just said that. Am I reading it wrong?

[bochur22]

Lets start over so we are on the same page. Does SD help? Not asking it if it prevents but if it helps.

Wide range of things covered by SD, as usual with your favorite subjects.
Are you staying safe and limiting the spread by merely keeping a 6-foot distance from others? No.

[CountValentine]

Are you staying safe and limiting the spread by merely keeping a 6-foot distance from others? No.

Not what I am asking. If you are 6 or 30 feet away there is no guarantee you won't or will be infected.
What I am asking is if staying 6 feet away helps? If not then when does it start to help, 10, 20, 30, 40 feet or more?

[bochur22]

I am asking according to the study you posted. It seems clear to me it just said that. Am I reading it wrong?

No, you are not reading it wrong. In regards to certain masks, properly worn, in certain settings. Part of the reason I chose this study, besides for the easy quote, is so you shouldn't just jump on the authors as quack q-anon wackos, as you sometimes do.

[bochur22]

Not what I am asking. If you are 6 or 30 feet away there is no guarantee you won't or will be infected.
What I am asking is if staying 6 feet away helps? If not then when does it start to help, 10, 20, 30, 40 feet or more?

It doesn't help. He says 60+ feet, but that's working with adequate ventilation standards, so it all depends really. For example, outdoor spaces, which are really well ventilated from an airflow point of view, may not require any distancing, since aerosols disperse extremely rapidly in open air.

[yelped]

What does Biden have to do with it?

I wanted to quote him saying, "Come on, man!", in response to your post comparing home isolation helping and masks helping.

[CountValentine]

No, you are not reading it wrong. In regards to certain masks, properly worn, in certain settings. Part of the reason I chose this study, besides for the easy quote, is so you shouldn't just jump on the authors as quack q-anon wackos, as you sometimes do.

If it was from Tucker I would bring out the Kool-Aid. 
I don't dispute there are well respected studies that don't support my position. I don't dismiss them as wackos.

There are well respected studies that also support my position that SD and masks help. Now the wackos take that and twist it into I said it prevents instead of helps.

[CountValentine]

I wanted to quote him saying, "Come on, man!", in response to your post comparing home isolation helping and masks helping.

I never mentioned home isolation in what you quoted. Do you have the right post?

[bochur22]

There are well respected studies that also support my position that SD help.

So, once again. Kindly cite the specific studies that show that 6 feet separation helps. Not "CDC Experts say keep 6 feet apart." Hard data please. BTW the WHO recommended 3 feet all along.

[yelped]

I never mentioned home isolation in what you quoted. Do you have the right post?

Social distancing helps with the full viral load not reaching someone. We agree this helps.
Masks also help with the full viral load not reaching someone. Some say this doesn't help.
Common sense tells me something isn't right here.

[CountValentine]

Ok you just showed I never mention home isolation. What am I missing?

[yelped]

Ok you just showed I never mention home isolation. What am I missing?

Well, I don't think social distancing other than actual isolation really helps in most indoor situations, so then you are on the same side of the fence with SD/Masks. Isolation obviously helps, but is not desirable in most cases, the others, not really.

[CountValentine]

Well, I don't think social distancing other than actual isolation really helps in most indoor situations, so then you are on the same side of the fence with SD/Masks. Isolation obviously helps, but is not desirable in most cases, the others, not really.

I don't equate SD with home isolation. Seems we are using the terms differently.

bochur22 just posted a study that says masks do help.

[CountValentine]

It doesn't help. He says 60+ feet, but that's working with adequate ventilation standards, so it all depends really. For example, outdoor spaces, which are really well ventilated from an airflow point of view, may not require any distancing, since aerosols disperse extremely rapidly in open air.

Lets take outside. Someone with covid is coughing and sneezing. Is he saying it does not matter if you are 1 foot, 3 feet, 6 ft or 30 ft away? If it does matter, then SD does help.

[bochur22]

Lets take outside. Someone with covid is coughing and sneezing. Is he saying it does not matter if you are 1 foot, 3 feet, 6 ft or 30 ft away? If it does matter, then SD does help.

I'll do you one better. Catching Covid in a true outdoor environment is so rare I'd say it doesn't matter what you do. Try this:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-coronavirus-rare-impossible.html
ETA: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0265680

[bochur22]

Then, of course, you have the other side. "The Science" Who don't have the data here. This article is a wonderful example. No real numbers quoted to support what they're doing:
https://www.self.com/story/covid-ba5-outdoor-transmission-risk

[CountValentine]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-coronavirus-rare-impossible.html

Loving your links as they are supporting my points. 

"This is in addition to the relatively larger droplets that we expel by coughing or sneezing, which can land directly on someone else's face within a perimeter of one or two meters (up to six feet)."

The dose of viral particles needed to cause an infection is unknown, but the larger the dose, "the greater the probability of infection," Steve Elledge, a Harvard University geneticist and expert in viruses, told AFP.