Masks

[cmey]

I took a senior to an eye doctor appointment this past week. Despite the fact that everyone other than me appeared to be seniors and presumably vaccinated, they are still keeping every other chair in the waiting room turned to the wall, resulting in two aged fellows standing uncomfortably for some time in the waiting room due to lack of seating. They couldn’t get a pressure reading in the eye due to fogging from the mask and had to try multiple times which was quite uncomfortable for the patient. As soon as a patient stood up in the waiting room to go in to the doctor the staff would run over and spray up all surfaces of the chair as if the old guy had had an accident or something. It’s really become kind of a religion as far as I can tell.

[Jeremiah]

So much to unwrap here...

A) There are no restrictions. There are little-to-no mask mandates. They aren't "submitting" to anything, and their "submission" isn't extending restrictions that aren't there to begin with.

B) If you experience fear or anxiety when you see someone wearing a mask, the problem is yours, not the person wearing the mask. You should really seek professional help for that.

C) Bad for communication? We should ban sunglasses. The eyes are the most expressive part of the face.

D) "Unhygenic" - are we really still on this? What's next? Masks cause people to breathe in too much carbon dioxide?

E) Bad for the environment. Yep. I'd love to take a peek inside your environmentally friendly house.

A yes they are submitting. Why else would everyone still be wearing masks.
B it is spreading fear to many people. Not anyone I generally care about but when people cross the street when seeing unmasked people outdoors then we have a problem
C sunglasses were never banned or being promoted to wear all day indoors and outdoors
D won’t comment about it because it’s irrelevant
E I don’t give a darn about the environment. But the same people who tend to wear them tend to make the environment a priority

[Jeremiah]

The ones that are upset at people wearing masks are basically the same ones who complained about masks while thousands were dying each day. They have an agenda.

The ones who always complained about people who get annoyed from masks are still doing so today. They have an agenda

[S209]

Because you are an angel that is not bothered by a piece of fabric sitting on the places you inhale and exhale from in the sweltering heat. There is also no upside to a vaccine if you sit locked in cell with no human contact.

Umm. Did you see the post he quoted?

But... they prolong the restrictions with their submissiveness - it projects fear & anxiety onto others - maintains an anti-social norm - not being able to see faces and expressions is bad for communication and development - unhygienic - bad for the environment

You remind me of the cafe fining customers who wear masks. All in the name of liberty, eh?

[EliJelly]

C) Bad for communication? We should ban sunglasses. The eyes are the most expressive part of the face.

You're countering the one good point he makes with a silly analogy. Didn't you have this feeling every single day in the past year like "If only you'd remove your mask I might be able to understand you better", how many times do you have that with sunglasses. And anyway, whoever wears sunglasses indoors where most of peoples conversations happen?

[S209]

But... they prolong the restrictions with their submissiveness - it projects fear & anxiety onto others - maintains an anti-social norm - not being able to see faces and expressions is bad for communication and development - unhygienic - bad for the environment

Yes yes masks are the devil

[Lurker]

A yes they are submitting. Why else would everyone still be wearing masks.
B it is spreading fear to many people. Not anyone I generally care about but when people cross the street when seeing unmasked people outdoors then we have a problem
C sunglasses were never banned or being promoted to wear all day indoors and outdoors
D won’t comment about it because it’s irrelevant
E I don’t give a darn about the environment. But the same people who tend to wear them tend to make the environment a priority

A) Submitting to whom/what? I wear a mask as a personal choice, as do many others I know. Why don't I have that right?
B) Huh? Someone has anxieties and fears regarding Covid, so they make themselves crazy and go to extreme lengths to avoid unmasked people. What does that have anything to do with people wearing masks supposedly causing anxiety? I'm not following.
C) Again, huh?
D) It's pretty relevant to the claim that you made about masks being "unhygenic."
E) Now you're just pulling things from where the sun don't shine.

[S209]

You're countering the one good point he makes with a silly analogy. Didn't you have this feeling every single day in the past year like "If only you'd remove your mask I might be able to understand you better", how many times do you have that with sunglasses. And anyway, whoever wears sunglasses indoors where most of peoples conversations happen?

It’s not a good point, the people are wearing masks of their own accord because they believe they should, it’s completely irrelevant if he feels they are posing as a barrier to effective communication. Remember that whole personal liberty thing?

[biobook]

It’s really become kind of a religion as far as I can tell.

And a rather attractive one, I'd say!  Requiring submission to 3 restrictions - wear a mask, wash your hands, keep your distance - is a lot more appealing than 613.

[EliJelly]

It’s not a good point, the people are wearing masks of their own accord because they believe they should, it’s completely irrelevant if he feels they are posing as a barrier to effective communication. Remember that whole personal liberty thing?

All right but don't claim it doesn't come with a cost.

[EliJelly]

And a rather attractive one, I'd say!  Requiring submission to 3 restrictions - wear a mask, wash your hands, keep your distance - is a lot more appealing than 613.

OMG. Then his issue might not be of it becoming a religion, rather of it becoming the prevailing religion.

[Lurker]

You're countering the one good point he makes with a silly analogy. Didn't you have this feeling every single day in the past year like "If only you'd remove your mask I might be able to understand you better", how many times do you have that with sunglasses. And anyway, whoever wears sunglasses indoors where most of peoples conversations happen?

My point was that making communication easier isn't a reason for people to abandon masks. If someone feels the need to wear a mask, why should better communication trump need? The sunglasses analogy may have been poor. It was to illustrate that people can wear whatever accessories they want/need, and we don't tell people they need to stop wearing them because "not being able to see faces and expressions is bad for communication and development."

[Lurker]

All right but don't claim it doesn't come with a cost.

I don't think you've ever seen me say that there are no costs. There are tradeoffs for everything. Like I said, it doesn't bother me when I see people without masks. My issue is with those who are triggered by other people wearing masks.

[EliJelly]

I don't think you've ever seen me say that there are no costs. There are tradeoffs for everything. Like I said, it doesn't bother me when I see people without masks. My issue is with those who are triggered by other people wearing masks.

Likewise here. I just took issue with your analogy . The problem of communication is real.

[JlmBoi]

Umm. Did you see the post he quoted?

Yes. For some people anxiety > discomfort.... If it didn't become such a "religion" and whatever mandates were needed would have been sensible, or if the media actually scrutinized things, much less people would have that anxiety.

[yelped]

Don't know one person wear this is the case.

Lol, when was the last time you've been in NYC?

[Lurker]

Lol, when was the last time you've been in NYC?

Forget NY, just watch the politicians put on a mask for the cameras. But they may not count as people...

[S209]

Yes. For some people anxiety > discomfort.... If it didn't become such a "religion" and whatever mandates were needed would have been sensible, or if the media actually scrutinized things, much less people would have that anxiety.

I think you’re just overplaying how uncomfortable masks are for many people

[avromie7]

I think you’re just overplaying how uncomfortable masks are for many people

We've been down this road before...

[JlmBoi]

I think you’re just overplaying how uncomfortable masks are for many people

Could be. I'm basing it on how uncomfortable it was for me and what I hear from others. Vs the actual benefit of wearing a mask, indoors where others are unmasked and especially out doors, for people not in a risk group. People's behavior seems incongruent with their general level of carefulness and tolerance for discomfort.