Masks

[Yehuda57]

I don't care what he did. The attitude bothers me. To come here to post how he got around safety measures for his own comfort bothers me. Do what you do, but don't be an a-hole.

As Chassidim, shouldn't we be doing things even on the slightest of off chances it could help someone else? Even if it makes us uncomfortable? Even if we believe them to be useless? Isn't that the very embodiment of Chossid sorfan?

[yuneeq]

Click through to watch vids in thread.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1315421346093051906

Very cool visualizations, I wish they made a vid showing how an uncovered nose affects things.

[mushkovits]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nord.news/2020/10/21/danish-study-on-bandages-rejected-by-medical-journals/amp/

[S209]

Now that we finally have a leader that understands masks do work will more start to wear masks? I believe and hope so.
How many more Americans have to die needlessly to stop making this about politics?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/utah-governor-declares-emergency-issues-mask-mandate-we-cannot-afford-to-debate-this-issue/ar-BB1aPTAk

[Kobe Bryant]

I don't care what he did. The attitude bothers me. To come here to post how he got around safety measures for his own comfort bothers me. Do what you do, but don't be an a-hole.

That’s why most people don’t post. but if you would fly as I have many times since Covid, you would know that this is common place.

[CountValentine]

CDC now says masks protect both the wearers and those around them from COVID-19
https://www.wxyz.com/news/health/ask-dr-nandi/cdc-now-says-masks-protect-both-the-wearers-and-those-around-them-from-covid-19

[S209]

CDC now says masks protect both the wearers and those around them from COVID-19
https://www.wxyz.com/news/health/ask-dr-nandi/cdc-now-says-masks-protect-both-the-wearers-and-those-around-them-from-covid-19

This is the current consensus medical opinion.

ETA: Here is the CDC source.

[ExGingi]

This is the current consensus POLITICIZED medical opinion.

ETA: Here is the CDC source.

FTFY

[CountValentine]

FTFY

Actually now that Trump lost the CDC will be depoliticized.

[S209]

FTFY

Why do you say that? Do you know of a reputable doctor who believes otherwise? I can tell you the names of 10 in Lakewood who have told me that this is their belief.

[ExGingi]

Why do you say that? Do you know of a reputable doctor who believes otherwise? I can tell you the names of 10 in Lakewood who have told me that this is their belief.

Do any of those doctors not practice or engage in CYA medicine?

FTR: I don't claim that there is absolutely zero benefit, it's just that the benefit is so small that it's not worth it (talking about the direct health benefit, not about the social or other indirect benefits).

[S209]

Do any of those doctors not practice or engage in CYA medicine?

FTR: I don't claim that there is absolutely zero benefit, it's just that the benefit is so small that it's not worth it (talking about the direct health benefit, not about the social or other indirect benefits).

They technically have no direct liability from or obligation toward me, outside of one. I guess one could disregard all medical advice with that rationale.

[ExGingi]

They technically have no direct liability from or obligation toward me, outside of one. I guess one could disregard all medical advice with that rationale.

You're focusing on a detail and missing the point.

[CountValentine]

FTR: I don't claim that there is absolutely zero benefit, it's just that the benefit is so small that it's not worth it (talking about the direct health benefit, not about the social or other indirect benefits).

What science or medical experts do you rely on to back this up?

[Lurker]

What science or medical experts do you rely on to back this up?

Dr. I. C. Meself and The Institute Of Wedontneednostinkindoctors.

[ExGingi]

What science or medical experts do you rely on to back this up?

Critical reading of reports, studies and opinion pieces claiming otherwise.

[CountValentine]

Critical reading of reports, studies and opinion pieces claiming otherwise.

Post some links as there are a ton of links in this thread claiming they do help.

[Euclid]

Critical reading of reports, studies and opinion pieces claiming otherwise.

I enjoy reading medical news and studies. One of the (many) calamities that came out of this pandemic is that every Chaim Yankel now thinks that he's Meilich Firer or Shuki Berman, and he's fluent in medical literature and research.

Anyone who believes that years of study and experience can be replaced by the reading of some newspaper items and a quick perusing of medical studies is deluding themselves. I overhear laypeople in shul espousing strong opinions about things related to my profession, and I just sit there and nod - while inside I'm laughing. They find a nugget of truth and extrapolate hilariously from that; they don't even know what they don't know. So to think reading a couple news articles and/or medical studies as a layperson can somehow make one more knowledgeable than a doctor is laughable. A doctor knows how to parse medical studies and data in ways that a layman cannot.

For instance, see the Gell-Mann amnesia phenomenon as an example of how using items written for a layperson as a replacement for professional advice is foolhardy. https://www.epsilontheory.com/gell-mann-amnesia/

[CountValentine]

I enjoy reading medical news and studies. One of the (many) calamities that came out of this pandemic is that every Chaim Yankel now thinks that he's Meilich Firer or Shuki Berman, and he's fluent in medical literature and research.

When you have doctors/experts on both sides of an issue how does a layperson educate themselves to know which side to believe?

[Euclid]

When you have doctors/experts on both sides of an issue how does a layperson educate themselves to know which side to believe?

Speak to a doctor that you've trusted in the past. Educate yourself by all means, but don't make decisions based on that without discussing it with a doctor you trust.