Masks

[yuneeq]

Speak to a doctor that you've trusted in the past. Educate yourself by all means, but don't make decisions based on that without discussing it with a doctor you trust.

The problem is people arguing against masks usually trust Dr Quack.

[Lurker]

Anyone who believes that years of study and experience can be replaced by reading some news pieces and/or studies is deluding themselves.

FTFY

[Euclid]

FTFY

Thank you. I'll rephrase the original.

[aygart]

he's Meilich Firer or Shuki Berman, and he's fluent in medical literature and research.

As amazing of a resource as these people are, your using them as examples of people fluent in medical literature and research is laughable.


As for the main point, that is exactly what happens with anti-vaxxers. They misread research to meet their agenda. when the exact research they call a source is really saying the opposite of their conclusion.

[aygart]

Critical reading of reports, studies and opinion pieces claiming otherwise.

Considering your emotional involvement in this issue apparent throughout these forums you may want to reconsider how objective your criticism was.

[Euclid]

As amazing of a resource as these people are, your using them as examples of people fluent in medical literature and research is laughable.

I b"h have no personal experience with them; their reputation is that they're fluent in medicine even though they're laypeople. Guess that's not entirely true...

[Kobe Bryant]

I b"h have no personal experience with them; their reputation is that they're fluent in medicine even though they're laypeople. Guess that's not entirely true...

Their knowledge of the medical field exceeds anyone on this forum by an unfathomable amount.

[aygart]

I b"h have no personal experience with them; their reputation is that they're fluent in medicine even though they're laypeople. Guess that's not entirely true...

They're fluent in knowing what is around and who is the expert etc.

[S209]

Their knowledge of the medical field exceeds anyone on this forum by an unfathomable amount.

While they might know a lot, do you realize there are actual doctors on these forums? @YankyDoodle and @cks33 come immediately to mind.

I doubt they know much more than doctors, but I could be wrong.

[aygart]

Their knowledge of the medical field exceeds anyone on this forum by an unfathomable amount.

That does not mean that they have read even one research paper well. There is a very good chance that I have more experience of that from researching for halachic aspects than they do. I have done such research regarding many random subjects from parasitic lifecycles to medicine. That does not mean that I have full knowledge in biology or medicine but I have discussed some papers with their authors and have learned over time how to get what I need from them. Hint: it is rarely found in the abstract.

[Kobe Bryant]

While they might know a lot, do you realize there are actual doctors on these forums? @YankyDoodle and @cks33 come immediately to mind.

I doubt they know much more than doctors, but I could be wrong.

That does not mean that they have read even one research paper well. There is a very good chance that I have more experience of that from researching for halachic aspects than they do. I have done such research regarding many random subjects from parasitic lifecycles to medicine. That does not mean that I have full knowledge in biology or medicine but I have discussed some papers with their authors and have learned over time how to get what I need from them. Hint: it is rarely found in the abstract.

BH you never had to deal with them.

[aygart]

BH you never had to deal with them.

I did.


ETA: I am not trying to say that they didn't go through research papers but rather that they can be extremely effective at what they are doing without having done so. I wouldn't use them as a prime example of ability to go through research papers thoroughly.

[CountValentine]

Month after month they refused putting fellow Americans at risk and all of a sudden they switch course. I wonder why, NOT!!!
Will those like @ExGingi finally wake up?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-latest-north-dakota-governor-orders-mask-mandate/ar-BB1b04aA

[kosherjid]

I got this mail on Friday.  I would very much like to know if someone has experience with this medication to prevent the virus getting worse.
To me, it looks blown up, exaggerated.  (sorry, I don't know in which thread it belongs)

[AsherO]

I got this mail on Friday.  I would very much like to know if someone has experience with this medication to prevent the virus getting worse.
To me, it looks blown up, exaggerated.  (sorry, I don't know in which thread it belongs)

Sounds like a quack...

[kosherjid]

It's not so simple. Here, this mail circulating around.  How can I convince that it's a quack ? Anything online ? I looked, couldnt'find anything.  There's also another mail being sent around, to take high, very high doses of vitamins, and this can save you from the virus.

[aygart]

It's not so simple. Here, this mail circulating around.  How can I convince that it's a quack ? Anything online ? I looked, couldnt'find anything.  There's also another mail being sent around, to take high, very high doses of vitamins, and this can save you from the virus.

If you can't find anything online then what does that tell you about its reliability?

[AsherO]

It's not so simple. Here, this mail circulating around.  How can I convince that it's a quack ? Anything online ? I looked, couldnt'find anything.  There's also another mail being sent around, to take high, very high doses of vitamins, and this can save you from the virus.

It’s actually that simple. There’s a global pandemic with thousands of people dying daily around the world. If a doctor had a technique that was actually working it would likely be discussed elsewhere.

Also, this is a dangerous virus that can potentially wreak havoc on many systems in the body. It’s farfetched that some oil essence mix or vitamins will magically nip it in the bud.

[S209]

It's not so simple. Here, this mail circulating around.  How can I convince that it's a quack ? Anything online ? I looked, couldnt'find anything.  There's also another mail being sent around, to take high, very high doses of vitamins, and this can save you from the virus.

You don’t need a source that it’s a hoax. You need a source that it isn’t.

PS: Forwarding the email to 10 people won’t fix it either.

[ExGingi]

You don’t need a source that it’s a hoax. You need a source that it isn’t.

PS: Forwarding the email to 10 people won’t fix it either.

But there's a name and phone number there.