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Re: Masks
« Reply #1120 on: August 23, 2021, 09:13:39 AM »
Cross posting as very informative. HT @biobook
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1122 on: August 23, 2021, 10:48:49 AM »
Time to mandate vaccines, masks, SD and a host of other things!!!

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1123 on: August 23, 2021, 10:57:33 AM »
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1124 on: August 24, 2021, 05:55:02 PM »
These anti-mask nutcases are going to kill someone.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1125 on: August 24, 2021, 06:16:41 PM »
These anti-mask nutcases are going to kill someone.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1126 on: August 24, 2021, 06:34:40 PM »
Already did
Talking about these protests at school meetings. They have lost their minds.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1127 on: August 24, 2021, 06:46:53 PM »
Talking about these protests at school meetings. They have lost their minds.
Just give them all guns and they’ll sort it out

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1128 on: August 24, 2021, 06:49:30 PM »
Just give them all guns and they’ll sort it out
They probably all have them already. They are clinging to them and G-d.  ;)
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1130 on: August 27, 2021, 12:19:11 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/students-masks-classrooms-britain.html

Note, the above is about elementary schools. Preschools are not even a hava amina

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1131 on: August 27, 2021, 02:24:54 PM »
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1132 on: September 01, 2021, 10:58:59 AM »
https://twitter.com/Jabaluck/status/1433036923610742789

Haven't read the study, nor would I be able to anyway, just seeing some tweets on it. Interesting to me to see the age discrepancies.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1133 on: September 01, 2021, 11:01:56 AM »
https://twitter.com/Jabaluck/status/1433036923610742789

Haven't read the study, nor would I be able to anyway, just seeing some tweets on it. Interesting to me to see the age discrepancies.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1433036923610742789.html
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1134 on: September 01, 2021, 11:39:36 AM »
Twitter is really useful for finding the very latest research results, and I've appreciated that for most of the pandemic.  But over time I've realized that if the tweeted research is worthwhile, it will very quickly be repackaged in a more readable and understandable way by science writers, as I mentioned last week.  https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=114968.msg2491912#msg2491912

For this one, I googled the author's name, plus the word masks, and immediately found two sources, one from Yale, where the researcher works, and one news article in the Washington Post.  Both give more background and explanations than the author himself does in his tweets, and the WaPo journalist also solicited commentary from other scientists who were not involved in the research.  I'm sure there will be more articles like this soon, perhaps addressing the question re:age.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/in-first-randomized-study-shows-that-masks-reduce-covid-19-infections
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/01/masks-study-covid-bangladesh/

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1136 on: September 02, 2021, 10:32:09 PM »

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1137 on: September 03, 2021, 12:06:30 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/school-mask-mandates-downside/619952/
"The educational cost of face coverings is far better established than the benefits of mandates."

Then he proceeds to spend the whole article on the minimizing the latter without showing the former in and way shape or form.

I agree with him in principle, but he doesn't do a good job of 'establishing' much beyond svara.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1138 on: September 03, 2021, 08:01:51 AM »
"The educational cost of face coverings is far better established than the benefits of mandates."

Then he proceeds to spend the whole article on the minimizing the latter without showing the former in and way shape or form.

I agree with him in principle, but he doesn't do a good job of 'establishing' much beyond svara.

There's not much to establish, given that there is no hard data on the costs of masking children. One of his qualms is that we're 18 months in and no one has bothered to get this data.

I think he laid out his case about as well as he could, given the data we actually have. He points to the established benefits of face time, as signed off on by the CDC and AAP, to show wha we are losing by masking. He then shows how masking little children under 5, and possibly even under 12, isn't recommended outside of this country and likely has minimal benefit to begin with.

Until we have hard data on the actual costs of masking kids, I don't see how anyone can make a stronger argument, either for or against.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1139 on: September 03, 2021, 10:17:32 AM »
There's not much to establish, given that there is no hard data on the costs of masking children. One of his qualms is that we're 18 months in and no one has bothered to get this data.

I think he laid out his case about as well as he could, given the data we actually have. He points to the established benefits of face time, as signed off on by the CDC and AAP, to show wha we are losing by masking. He then shows how masking little children under 5, and possibly even under 12, isn't recommended outside of this country and likely has minimal benefit to begin with.

Until we have hard data on the actual costs of masking kids, I don't see how anyone can make a stronger argument, either for or against.
Is it too much to ask that our kids not be forced to be test rats for these studies?
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