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Re: Masks
« Reply #1380 on: February 15, 2023, 12:22:56 PM »
You are being ridiculous.
Disregarding what the experts do in their own field is pure ignorance, stupidity or whatever word you want to use.
Masks is not just about covid.

What harm does it cause to wear a mask in a hospital or a doctor's office?
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1381 on: February 15, 2023, 12:31:21 PM »
The study (and most of the covid-era arguments about masking) is (are) talking about "community" masking, not individual masking.

Even if your doctor wears a mask because they know all the studies and evidence and not just to follow protocol, it has no bearing on whether that means "the science" is that community masking works.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1382 on: February 15, 2023, 01:01:42 PM »
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1383 on: February 15, 2023, 01:10:33 PM »
Disregarding what the experts do in their own field is pure ignorance, stupidity or whatever word you want to use.
Masks is not just about covid.

What harm does it cause to wear a mask in a hospital or a doctor's office?
What harm does it cause to wear a gas mask when you visit? That’ll actually do something. So please for the sake of science and humanity wear one. It doesn’t hurt!?!?!?

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1384 on: February 15, 2023, 01:26:03 PM »
Everyone needs to take the filter out of there furnace since they are not 100% effective. ROFLMAO!!!
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1385 on: February 15, 2023, 01:28:44 PM »
Everyone needs to take the filter out of there furnace since they are not 100% effective. ROFLMAO!!!

The studies are consistently showing that community masking is not "not 100% effective" - but that they don't have any effect at all

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1386 on: February 15, 2023, 01:34:23 PM »
The studies are consistently showing that community masking is not "not 100% effective" - but that they don't have any effect at all
So a mask or any covering will not stop any of the covid virus or any other virus?



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Re: Masks
« Reply #1387 on: February 15, 2023, 01:55:11 PM »
So a mask or any covering will not stop any of the covid virus or any other virus?

To my understanding: A 3 ply mask worn correctly in the perfect setting would be effective in stopping the virus particles from going from or to an individual. However, people live in communities, and so masking as a community results in the wrong masks being worn, masks not being worn correctly, and because masks can't be worn 24/7, spread occurs when masks are not being worn. As such, it ends up being ineffective even if someone is careful about masking. The studies show that community masking doesn't correlate to a reduction in infection even though mannequin studies show that masks do work to stop the virus from passing through.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1388 on: February 15, 2023, 01:58:14 PM »
Also, every single person in the doctor's office went countless other places unmasked. Why should the Dr office be different?
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1389 on: February 15, 2023, 02:03:48 PM »
To my understanding: A 3 ply mask worn correctly in the perfect setting would be effective in stopping the virus particles from going from or to an individual. However, people live in communities, and so masking as a community results in the wrong masks being worn, masks not being worn correctly, and because masks can't be worn 24/7, spread occurs when masks are not being worn. As such, it ends up being ineffective even if someone is careful about masking. The studies show that community masking doesn't correlate to a reduction in infection even though mannequin studies show that masks do work to stop the virus from passing through.
Let me see if I understand this. A mask effectiveness is based on things like type, correctly worn, length of time worn among other things. So, we take a wedding party of 500 people. Let's same some wear masks the whole time, some part of the time and some none of the time. Some wear them properly and others so so. According to the studies the amount of people getting covid would be no different than no one wearing masks at all? Am I understanding that correctly according to the studies?
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1390 on: February 15, 2023, 02:04:28 PM »
Why should the Dr office be different?
Maybe because that is where you go when you are sick?  :)
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1391 on: February 15, 2023, 02:10:30 PM »
Maybe because that is where you go when you are sick?  :)

I agree, but that has nothing to do with COVID. I have said that I would not mind if Dr office stay masked forever, but that partially depends on the type of Dr. since an orthopedist would not have this calcualtion.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1392 on: February 15, 2023, 02:18:00 PM »
I agree, but that has nothing to do with COVID. I have said that I would not mind if Dr office stay masked forever,
This is a point I am making. Masks are not just for covid.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1393 on: February 15, 2023, 02:37:30 PM »
Let me see if I understand this. A mask effectiveness is based on things like type, correctly worn, length of time worn among other things. So, we take a wedding party of 500 people. Let's same some wear masks the whole time, some part of the time and some none of the time. Some wear them properly and others so so. According to the studies the amount of people getting covid would be no different than no one wearing masks at all? Am I understanding that correctly according to the studies?

Firstly, even the ones wearing them "the whole time" are likely not wearing them properly the whole time, and some of them will likely be wearing ineffective masks.

But no, that's not what I was saying. I'm not saying if you take snapshots of specific events you won't see a difference. I'm saying that what seems to me to be the consistent result of these studies is when you look at broader community spread, not at an individual event, there is no correlation between mask wearing and a reduction in covid spread. When does it change from "individual" to "community"? I don't know.

I also freely admit I am the furthest from an expert on reading and understanding studies and I'm relying on interpretation from biased sources. Though in this case, almost every side has come around to stating the same thing. Slate and the Atlantic are starting to sound right wing.


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Re: Masks
« Reply #1394 on: February 15, 2023, 02:45:33 PM »
When does it change from "individual" to "community"? I don't know.
Individuals make up the community.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1395 on: February 15, 2023, 02:48:10 PM »
Individuals make up the community.

Hot dogs are made with bones and feet.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1396 on: February 15, 2023, 02:55:33 PM »
Hot dogs are made with bones and feet.
...but you are telling me that doesn't affect the meat content.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1398 on: February 15, 2023, 04:12:21 PM »
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2023/2/8/23591132/cdc-exaggerated-evidence-supporting-mask-mandates-column-jacob-sullum
So now N95 masks make no difference.  :)

That review, published by the Cochrane Library, an authoritative collection of scientific databases, analyzed 18 randomized controlled trials that aimed to measure the impact of surgical masks or N95 respirators on the transmission of respiratory viruses. It found that wearing a mask in public places “probably makes little or no difference” in the number of infections.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1399 on: February 21, 2023, 11:55:05 PM »
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