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Re: Masks
« Reply #1480 on: March 09, 2023, 02:53:26 PM »
Loving your links as they are supporting my points.  :)
Are they, though? Because you can blab about particles all you'd like while ignoring this gem that really fits with your view on outdoor transmission: "There were virtually no cases that we could identify that took place in sort of everyday life outdoors," study author Mike Weed, a professor and researcher at Canterbury Christ Church University, told AFP.
Oh, and that's out of 25,000 cases studied.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1481 on: March 09, 2023, 02:56:17 PM »
Love how bright your goalposts seem to be shining though.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1482 on: March 09, 2023, 02:59:12 PM »
Are they, though? Because you can blab about particles all you'd like while ignoring this gem that really fits with your view on outdoor transmission: "There were virtually no cases that we could identify that took place in sort of everyday life outdoors," study author Mike Weed, a professor and researcher at Canterbury Christ Church University, told AFP.
Oh, and that's out of 25,000 cases studied.
The article makes a lot of claims. One claim is if you are within 6 feet viral droplets can land directly on you. That seems to me like a direct viral load. That never happened in 25k cases, and someone wasn't affected?  :) 
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1483 on: March 09, 2023, 03:00:01 PM »
Love how bright your goalposts seem to be shining though.
I am trying to find things we agree on. Do we agree masks help as your links claim?
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1484 on: March 09, 2023, 03:00:50 PM »
The article makes a lot of claims. One claim is if you are within 6 feet viral droplets can land directly on you. That seems to me like a direct viral load. That never happened in 25k cases, and someone wasn't affected?  :)
It would seem not. Because they can't trace it anywhere. And, like you yourself pointed out, they don't know the required viral load to infect.

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1485 on: March 09, 2023, 03:02:50 PM »
I am trying to find things we agree on. Do we agree masks help as your links claim?
Do I agree masking helps? That's a different question. What my links have to say in order for you to reckon with them at all is that they do. Doesn't mean I believe them about that. Just means EVEN THEY agree that there's virtually no transmission risk outdoors.


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Re: Masks
« Reply #1487 on: March 09, 2023, 03:05:47 PM »
And, like you yourself pointed out, they don't know the required viral load to infect.
...but they claimed the higher the load the more chance to be infected. Translation: The further you are away from someone sneezing and coughing the less the viral load which means the less chance of infection. It helps!

I am just trying to use common sense.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1488 on: March 09, 2023, 03:09:32 PM »
...but they claimed the higher the load the more chance to be infected. Translation: The further you are away from someone sneezing and coughing the less the viral load which means the less chance of infection. It helps!

I am just trying to use common sense.
The Irish data shows 262 of 200,000 cases occurred outdoors. And we don't know how many of those people were doing SD anyways. I mean, would social distancing have stopped maybe 1 or 2 cases? This is ludicrous. I'm sorry. Put on a tinfoil hat if you are willing to go to that trouble to try to reduce a .131% chance
ETA: They also discussed the chance of particle reformation, where particles can group together over some distance (There's actually a theoretical study based on other areosols that says  there could be cross infection over hundreds of kilometers) so distancing still wouldn't be that effective.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1489 on: March 09, 2023, 03:31:37 PM »
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1490 on: March 09, 2023, 04:24:32 PM »
...but they claimed the higher the load the more chance to be infected. Translation: The further you are away from someone sneezing and coughing the less the viral load which means the less chance of infection. It helps!

I am just trying to use common sense.
It makes sense that every inch further there is less vital load and less is better. But is it better in a way that makes a measurable difference? How many lives per 100 million people do we estimate get saved by doing this?
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1491 on: March 09, 2023, 04:28:46 PM »
Why do i have a feeling that @bochur22 is @imayid2?

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1492 on: March 09, 2023, 04:29:34 PM »
Why do i have a feeling that @bochur22 is @imayid2?
We would be on a religious discussion by now.  :)
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1493 on: March 09, 2023, 04:37:05 PM »

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1494 on: March 09, 2023, 04:38:01 PM »
We would be on a religious discussion by now.  :)
No one brought up the biur Halacha that says to wear masks yet? :)

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Re: Masks
« Reply #1495 on: March 09, 2023, 04:55:33 PM »
It makes sense that every inch further there is less vital load and less is better. But is it better in a way that makes a measurable difference? How many lives per 100 million people do we estimate get saved by doing this?
Don't know.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1496 on: March 09, 2023, 05:02:35 PM »
Don't know.
If the answer is a fraction, is that considered helping for the purpose of this conversation? What number would make it considered to be helping?
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1497 on: March 09, 2023, 05:26:09 PM »
If the answer is a fraction, is that considered helping for the purpose of this conversation? What number would make it considered to be helping?
What number would you like to see?

Is stuff like this just made up?
I wonder how much of this is accurate?
https://www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-barrett-rose-garden-event-was-wh-covid-superspreader-new-data-suggests-1537865
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1498 on: March 09, 2023, 06:04:52 PM »
What number would you like to see?

I don't have a number I am looking for, but I am looking for what you call helping. If 6 feet doesn't change the death rate meaningfully then it may have helped in all sorts of theoretical ways but not in any way that should make a difference in how people should act.
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Re: Masks
« Reply #1499 on: March 09, 2023, 06:10:25 PM »
I don't have a number I am looking for, but I am looking for what you call helping. If 6 feet doesn't change the death rate meaningfully then it may have helped in all sorts of theoretical ways but not in any way that should make a difference in how people should act.
If things like this are accurate then way are way past any number.
I wonder how much of this is accurate?
https://www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-barrett-rose-garden-event-was-wh-covid-superspreader-new-data-suggests-1537865
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