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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2020, 10:15:04 AM »
June 14 is the target open date for visitors from Cyprus & Greece.

A large proportion of seminary and yeshiva students only go because of social norms and will be thrilled at the first excuse to stay home.
What leads you to this conclusion? It doesn't apply to just about anyone I know who went to seminary or yeshiva in Israel.
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2020, 10:26:03 AM »
June 14 is the target open date for visitors from Cyprus & Greece.

A large proportion of seminary and yeshiva students only go because of social norms and will be thrilled at the first excuse to stay home.

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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2020, 10:37:12 AM »
societal norms are a colossal waste of money. Essentially people spending money they donít have on something they donít need, because of how they hope others will perceive them (should I dare invoke the words Shidduch sham?)...
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2020, 11:02:42 AM »
What leads you to this conclusion? It doesn't apply to just about anyone I know who went to seminary or yeshiva in Israel.
How do you know? People arenít keen on admitting thatís the reason theyíre doing it, but through observation youíll find itís often the case. Not for everyone, of course. But for many.
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2020, 11:20:17 AM »
Would have thought theyíd be excited to spend a year in the holy land, and away from their parents.
If youíre right, then these societal norms are a colossal waste of money. Essentially people spending money they donít have on something they donít need, because of how they hope others will perceive them (should I dare invoke the words Shidduch sham?)...

A large proportion of seminary and yeshiva students only go because of social norms and will be thrilled at the first excuse to stay home.

There are a lot of motivations for kids spending the gap year in Israel, and I don't doubt that there are plenty of people who have the wrong motivation and/or just doing it to tick the right boxes on a shidduch resume.

My father A"H went to learn for a year at Torah Ohr under R' Scheinberg, Z"L in the late 1960s. He and my uncle (his twin) were among the few "americans" learning there for the year - there was no Israel "program". My Zayde felt it was important for them to live and learn torah in our land. While my dad didn't make Aliyah,  his other 3 siblings have. (We nearly moved in 1986, when he was offered a job, but my mom A"H nixed it).

I spent 1.5 years there before going to college. It was one of the most amazing and eye-opening experiences in my life. The feeling you get when you daven at the kotel, or when you are standing in a place where the stories you learned in Tanach actually happened, and you can visualize them coming to life.  Let's be honest with ourselves - most of us live in silos - Ashkenazi , Sephardi, and many times even deeper than that. You go to shuls and meet people who are very different, who's davening is the same but has a little twist or two - and yet at the end of the day, we are all hashem's children , coming together with one language (english).

Forgive me for being overly romantic. Yes, I understand that not everyone had the same feelings and experience that I had (my BIL, for example, went to the same Yeshiva I did, two years before me and left after a couple of months). But I know the value I received from my gap year in Israel, and I am forever grateful to my parents for letting me go.

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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2020, 12:20:38 PM »
How do you know? People arenít keen on admitting thatís the reason theyíre doing it, but through observation youíll find itís often the case. Not for everyone, of course. But for many.
I've had multiple recent conversations about this topic with friends as we are now beginning to send our own children. That many years removed, and in this context, I'm pretty confident that people are accurately reporting their motives and experiences.

Speaking for myself, I can honestly say that my time learning is EY positively impacted my life and continues to do so. I hope all my children have the same opportunities and positive experience.
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2020, 02:09:33 PM »
I've had multiple recent conversations about this topic with friends as we are now beginning to send our own children. That many years removed, and in this context, I'm pretty confident that people are accurately reporting their motives and experiences.

Speaking for myself, I can honestly say that my time learning is EY positively impacted my life and continues to do so. I hope all my children have the same opportunities and positive experience.

There are a lot of motivations for kids spending the gap year in Israel, and I don't doubt that there are plenty of people who have the wrong motivation and/or just doing it to tick the right boxes on a shidduch resume.

My father A"H went to learn for a year at Torah Ohr under R' Scheinberg, Z"L in the late 1960s. He and my uncle (his twin) were among the few "americans" learning there for the year - there was no Israel "program". My Zayde felt it was important for them to live and learn torah in our land. While my dad didn't make Aliyah,  his other 3 siblings have. (We nearly moved in 1986, when he was offered a job, but my mom A"H nixed it).

I spent 1.5 years there before going to college. It was one of the most amazing and eye-opening experiences in my life. The feeling you get when you daven at the kotel, or when you are standing in a place where the stories you learned in Tanach actually happened, and you can visualize them coming to life.  Let's be honest with ourselves - most of us live in silos - Ashkenazi , Sephardi, and many times even deeper than that. You go to shuls and meet people who are very different, who's davening is the same but has a little twist or two - and yet at the end of the day, we are all hashem's children , coming together with one language (english).

Forgive me for being overly romantic. Yes, I understand that not everyone had the same feelings and experience that I had (my BIL, for example, went to the same Yeshiva I did, two years before me and left after a couple of months). But I know the value I received from my gap year in Israel, and I am forever grateful to my parents for letting me go.
Thatís fantastic! Glad to hear some people are acting on what they think is right, not just because everyone does it
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2020, 02:19:22 PM »
Related but not related (if there is a better place for this question, please let me know), and assuming that my son's yeshiva year happens, I have two questions:

- What do people do about Car Insurance? Just let them know he is overseas and take the discount, or drop altogether? (my impression is that having him on the insurance, but out of the country, will help later on because his gap year will count towards him being insured 3 consecutive years).

- for their phone service, is it worth the hassle of suspending their us # or should I just keep it alive and forward it to their Israeli #?

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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2020, 03:25:55 PM »
There are a lot of motivations for kids spending the gap year in Israel, and I don't doubt that there are plenty of people who have the wrong motivation and/or just doing it to tick the right boxes on a shidduch resume.

My father A"H went to learn for a year at Torah Ohr under R' Scheinberg, Z"L in the late 1960s. He and my uncle (his twin) were among the few "americans" learning there for the year - there was no Israel "program". My Zayde felt it was important for them to live and learn torah in our land. While my dad didn't make Aliyah,  his other 3 siblings have. (We nearly moved in 1986, when he was offered a job, but my mom A"H nixed it).

I spent 1.5 years there before going to college. It was one of the most amazing and eye-opening experiences in my life. The feeling you get when you daven at the kotel, or when you are standing in a place where the stories you learned in Tanach actually happened, and you can visualize them coming to life.  Let's be honest with ourselves - most of us live in silos - Ashkenazi , Sephardi, and many times even deeper than that. You go to shuls and meet people who are very different, who's davening is the same but has a little twist or two - and yet at the end of the day, we are all hashem's children , coming together with one language (english).

Forgive me for being overly romantic. Yes, I understand that not everyone had the same feelings and experience that I had (my BIL, for example, went to the same Yeshiva I did, two years before me and left after a couple of months). But I know the value I received from my gap year in Israel, and I am forever grateful to my parents for letting me go.
I in no-way knocked the experience.
I still think there is a large proportion of people who are sending merely because the herd is going. Granted, I personally think if they can afford it it's a great expense, but I don't think they believe that.

ETA: My comments are mostly about seminaries. Yeshiva's are more likely to survive as they provide more value and have less infrastructure so can live on with a handful of guys. A guy is likely to go to Yeshiva even if 50% of his friends aren't, but a girl is more likely to be subject to critical mass
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2020, 03:30:31 PM »
People start paying for seminary months before the child is actually there?
There is a deposit
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2020, 09:44:59 PM »
- for their phone service, is it worth the hassle of suspending their us # or should I just keep it alive and forward it to their Israeli #?
I cancelled my son's US number, he was OK with it. My daughter wanted to keep her number so I kept it alive $6/month, did not forward anything.
Both had Golan in Israel 35 shekel/month.

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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2020, 11:29:48 PM »
I cancelled my son's US number, he was OK with it. My daughter wanted to keep her number so I kept it alive $6/month, did not forward anything.
Both had Golan in Israel 35 shekel/month.
Did they have Anerican Virtual Numbers? If yes, through which provider? If not, how did you and other reach them?
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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2020, 11:35:48 PM »
Related but not related (if there is a better place for this question, please let me know), and assuming that my son's yeshiva year happens, I have two questions:

- What do people do about Car Insurance? Just let them know he is overseas and take the discount, or drop altogether? (my impression is that having him on the insurance, but out of the country, will help later on because his gap year will count towards him being insured 3 consecutive years).

- for their phone service, is it worth the hassle of suspending their us # or should I just keep it alive and forward it to their Israeli #?
You can port their number to Google voice for $20 and port back once they come back.

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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2020, 11:40:20 PM »
Did they have Anerican Virtual Numbers? If yes, through which provider? If not, how did you and other reach them?
calling Israel is free with my cell (Ting)...and a local israeli voip number that rings on our US numbers

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Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2020, 12:07:48 AM »
calling Israel is free with my cell (Ting)...and a local israeli voip number that rings on our US numbers
Can you kindly explain "local Israeli voip number" tia
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