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Lets leave blame out of this.  ;)
Locking down ALL borders is an idea but would that have worked when the virus was already here?
Would’ve slowed the spread of the infection and allowed us to get a handle on it before it got out of control. There was a time when contact tracing would have worked.

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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2020, 02:45:52 PM »
They absolutely have ways of differentiating by looking sequencing the genes of the virus:
This is what I was trying to point out but worded it wrong.
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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2020, 02:46:10 PM »
Strain is a specific technical term. To date there is only one known strain of SARS-CoV-2. There are small mutations, variations, etc that can be used to track the spread over time and place.

One thing I'd add to the travel shutdown (or lack thereof) discussion is that a virus doesn't care about your citizenship. The ban from China didn't include US citizens and permanent residents. Who do you think constitutes the majority of travelers from China to the US?

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Would’ve slowed the spread of the infection and allowed us to get a handle on it before it got out of control. There was a time when contact tracing would have worked.
We don't have the capability to contact trace so far. We keep finding out we were hit sooner than we thought.
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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2020, 02:50:16 PM »
Who do you think constitutes the majority of travelers from China to the US?

Chinese tourists, students and businespeople.

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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2020, 02:51:45 PM »
Chinese tourists, students and businespeople.
I will add gamblers.  :)
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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2020, 02:55:01 PM »
Strain is a specific technical term. To date there is only one known strain of SARS-CoV-2. There are small mutations, variations, etc that can be used to track the spread over time and place.

One thing I'd add to the travel shutdown (or lack thereof) discussion is that a virus doesn't care about your citizenship. The ban from China didn't include US citizens and permanent residents. Who do you think constitutes the majority of travelers from China to the US?
Don’t you think most travelers from China were indeed prevented from coming, which greatly limited the amount of infected people who entered?
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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2020, 02:58:30 PM »
Don’t you think most travelers from China were indeed prevented from coming, which greatly limited the amount of infected people who entered?
Yes most were but 10's of thousands still entered. Greatly limited the infection remains to be seen.
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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2020, 03:01:02 PM »
I will add gamblers.  :)

Include that in tourists (or businessmen if they are good enough).

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Re: Has our response been "can't see the forest for the trees"?
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2020, 07:22:33 AM »
https://www.dw.com/en/spike-in-south-korean-infections-linked-to-one-mans-night-out/a-53384855
Latest reports are this one guy infected over 100(!!!) people that night.
He went to 5 different night clubs and exposed over 2000 people.

This (plus the Israeli capsule yeshivos) got me thinking - what if we are going about this all wrong. Long term social isolation just isn't sustainable. And when people break the rules it happens haphazardly across the population, causing tremendous harm.
What if we created a giant color-war. We divided the entire population into 10 color groups - everyone gets a bracelet with a color. Divide every city equally among the colors. You are only allowed to interact with people in your own color. Access to all services is timed by color, supermarkets have a schedule per color, restaurants, etc. That way, we can restrict spread of the virus within your color. Makes contact tracing much easier. We can even gamify it - the color with the least infections gets a prize (more hours at the supermarket?). Just trying to think outside the box.
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.