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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1300 on: May 20, 2020, 07:49:40 PM »
Sure, she'll do the work. It's work I was doing myself and will do myself after the 8 weeks. She does some of it anyway, for no salary.

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You can rehire employees under PPP even if you have no work for them. Not sure this would fly for new employees, but have yourself be the employee that's rehired with no work, and have the wife be the new hire that's doing the work... ;D

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1301 on: May 20, 2020, 08:37:41 PM »
PPP Program has no requirement that employees should work, the same as a clothing store that is completely closed is entitled to pay his employees even as they don't wotk, he is entitled to hire his wife as an employee and pay her without working. It is not a scam and it is not illegal.
Yes the government sometime has non-sense rules but that's why it is called government.
The same is true to a self employed individual who worked the last month in 2019 and had $100 income for 2019, if he is currently unemployed he can receive $3,000 a month in unemployment.

Correct it is non-sense but it is legal, not every non-sense rule from the gov become illegal

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1302 on: May 20, 2020, 08:42:29 PM »
And if you hire her to do clerical work, the first few weeks there is enough work for 4 days a week she will earn $1,000, after a few weeks there is only work for 1-2 days a week she is earning less, she can file for partial unemployment, and receive the PPP+UI.... It's non-sense but it is legal.

(Don't know the UI rules in CA but probably there is there.)

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1303 on: May 20, 2020, 10:07:49 PM »
So? What is she doing to earn that money?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1304 on: May 20, 2020, 11:26:16 PM »
Till June 30 you need to apply but the funding could occur end of July
Is this confirmed? It is a concept that I was thinking about. However, it would be a moot point if FPUC is extended past July...
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1305 on: May 20, 2020, 11:39:00 PM »
You can apply, If FPUC is extended than don't use it for payroll, just repay the loan

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1306 on: May 20, 2020, 11:45:30 PM »
You can apply, If FPUC is extended than don't use it for payroll, just repay the loan
Right but I would only do it if I could really only sign docs at end of July. If its end of June its not worth it.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1307 on: May 20, 2020, 11:47:59 PM »
Right but I would only do it if I could really only sign docs at end of July. If its end of June its not worth it.
You can sign the end of June, the 8 weeks will end by the end of Aug, you will have more than enough time to decide

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1308 on: May 20, 2020, 11:52:01 PM »
You can sign the end of June, the 8 weeks will end by the end of Aug, you will have more than enough time to decide
It only makes sense for me if the 8 weeks start after FPUC ends (or close to it) - so if I can sign lets say last week of July then this is something to consider. Otherwise I would just be wasting my time on the application process with minimal gain.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1309 on: May 21, 2020, 12:02:17 AM »
It only makes sense for me if the 8 weeks start after FPUC ends (or close to it) - so if I can sign lets say last week of July then this is something to consider. Otherwise I would just be wasting my time on the application process with minimal gain.

SBA:  You will need to complete the Paycheck Protection Program loan application and submit the application with the required documentation to an approved lender that is available to process your application by June 30, 2020.

Not sure if processed means an SBA # or loan origination.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1310 on: May 21, 2020, 12:10:31 AM »
You can apply, If FPUC is extended than don't use it for payroll, just repay the loan

My hunch is FPUC won’t be extended, especially if there isn’t a massive second wave R”L before 7/31. Congress is already working on other ways to waste trillions.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1311 on: May 21, 2020, 12:48:05 AM »
Congress is already working on other ways to waste trillions.
It is one of the things they are considering
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1312 on: May 21, 2020, 11:40:49 AM »
Has anyone been funded by Dime?
Anyone?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1313 on: May 21, 2020, 11:27:39 PM »

Also, can you get an EIDL loan after PPP? How do EIDL loans work, do they suddenly email you with loan docs? Or do they send out a request for documents/business records?

Did you get any smarter? Youtube is full of ppl saying they got a loan.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1315 on: May 22, 2020, 01:03:17 AM »
Applicable compensation is 8/52 of Schedule C. If you have a look at the application instructions it points you to the April interim rules.
I think if you also had w-2 income as an owner than it would be included in payroll costs that is eligible for forgiveness,
Line 9 limits forgiveness to "applicable compensation" of 2019, which would include both, schedule C set at $0, and your w-2 income,
 it will be based on section f. 1 and f. 2 of the interim rules


f. What amounts shall be eligible for forgiveness?
 The amount of loan forgiveness can be up to the full principal amount of the loan plus accrued interest. The actual amount of loan forgiveness will depend, in part, on the total amount spent over the covered period on:

i. Payroll costs including salary, wages, and tips, up to $100,000 of annualized pay per employee (for eight weeks, a maximum of $15,385 per individual), as well as covered benefits for employees (but not owners), including health care expenses, retirement contributions, and state taxes imposed on employee payroll paid by the employer (such as unemployment insurance premiums);

ii. owner compensation replacement, calculated based on 2019 net profit as described in Paragraph 1.b. above, with forgiveness of such amounts limited to eight weeks’ worth (8/52) of 2019 net profit, but excluding any qualified sick leave equivalent amount for which a credit is claimed under section 7002 of the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA) (Pub. L. 116–127) or qualified family leave equivalent amount for which a credit is claimed under section 7004 of FFCRA;


Line 9:  Enter any amounts paid to owners (owner-employees, a self-employed individual, or general partners).  This amount is capped at $15,385 (the eight-week equivalent of $100,000 per year) for each individual or the eight-week equivalent of their applicable compensation in 2019, whichever is lower.  See Interim Final Rule on Additional Eligibility Criteria and Requirements for Certain Pledges of Loans posted on April 14, 2020 for more information (85 FR 21747, 21749).   

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1316 on: May 22, 2020, 03:18:02 AM »
BREAKING NEWS!
DIME FUNDED MY ACCOUNT :-*

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1317 on: May 22, 2020, 07:16:41 AM »
BREAKING NEWS!
DIME FUNDED MY ACCOUNT :-*

Woooot! Yaaaay!!! Mazal Tov!!!

Now now, did they fund an account you opened at Dime for PPP, or an account at a different financial institution?
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1318 on: May 22, 2020, 12:40:02 PM »
Woooot! Yaaaay!!! Mazal Tov!!!

Now now, did they fund an account you opened at Dime for PPP, or an account at a different financial institution?
Dime account

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1319 on: May 23, 2020, 09:45:11 PM »
Anyone here get offered/accept an EIDL loan (not advance/grant)? I just got offered a loan and I'm not sure what it means. Anyone know more about this?

30 year term is nice, 3.75% not so much.
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