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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1380 on: May 25, 2020, 03:43:50 AM »
Sorry if this was already answered. Is there any additional benefit for new apps for EIDL in addition to ppp loan forgiveness?

If you want a loan, which needs to be repaid, not only forgiveness.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1381 on: May 25, 2020, 08:37:32 AM »
Is there any forgiveness? I remember people saying something like 1k per employee..

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1382 on: May 25, 2020, 08:54:09 AM »
Is there any forgiveness? I remember people saying something like 1k per employee..

Slow down.

PPP is a (potentially) forgivable loan.
If you applied for EIDL and got an advance (they were giving $1k per employee, up to $10k), that is yours to keep.
If you got an EIDL advance and PPP, the advance is deducted from your PPP forgiveness.
An EIDL loan is not forgivable.

It’s too late to apply for an EIDL loan (unless you have an agricultural business). You can still apply for PPP.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1383 on: May 25, 2020, 11:13:42 AM »
Slow down.

PPP is a (potentially) forgivable loan.
If you applied for EIDL and got an advance (they were giving $1k per employee, up to $10k), that is yours to keep.
If you got an EIDL advance and PPP, the advance is deducted from your PPP forgiveness.
An EIDL loan is not forgivable.

It’s too late to apply for an EIDL loan (unless you have an agricultural business). You can still apply for PPP.

I received PPP already, and was wondering if I can still apply for EIDL. I guess the answer is no.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1384 on: May 25, 2020, 01:23:19 PM »
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Payroll-Tax-Credit-Checklist.html?soid=1123722063264&aid=rWyURqh-bIo

While the entire business community spent the past few weeks focused on getting SBA loans, we want to make sure the significant tax credits and deferrals made available by the CARES Act and other regulatory changes are not overlooked. Below, we have compiled a checklist of the provisions and their eligibility requirements that can translate into substantial savings.

This material has been prepared for informational purposes only, and is not intended to provide, nor should it be relied upon, for legal or tax advice.

EMPLOYEE RETENTION CREDIT
Effective as of March 12th, 2020, the Employee Retention Credit under the CARES Act was created to encourage businesses to keep employees on their payroll. The refundable tax credit is 50% of up to $10,000 in qualified wages per employee who is paid by employers whose business has been financially impacted by COVID-19.

Who is eligible to receive this credit?
Anyone who has received a PPP loan, whether or not it is forgiven, is ineligible for this credit.

All employers, including tax-exempt organizations, that meet one of the following conditions are eligible for the credit:

A. Operations were fully or partially suspended during any calendar quarter in 2020, due to government orders. This includes government-mandated shutdowns, curfews/limits on hours and workforce or a lack of supplies due to vendor closures. This does not include voluntarily closure of a business.

B. A significant decline in gross receipts experienced in a calendar quarter. A significant decline is defined as a 50% decrease of gross revenue from the same quarter in 2019. The duration of a significant decline includes all quarters that follow in 2020, until the quarter after gross revenue surpasses 80% of 2019 revenue.

How do I calculate the credit amount?
The credit is calculated as 50% of qualified wages (including health insurance) paid to eligible employees in a calendar quarter, up to a maximum wage of $10,000 annually. Qualified wages vary based on the size of an organization:

Organizations with less than 100 employees:
Qualified wages are wages paid to any employee during quarters that meet the eligibility conditions above.

Health insurance expenses are included as a qualified wage.

Organizations with more than 100 employees:
Qualified wages are wages paid only to an employee that is not providing services due to partial or full suspension of operations, or reduction of income . This amount cannot exceed that of wages paid 30 days prior to March 12th. This credit can also be used to cover wages for employees working reduced hours where the employer continues to pay their full-time wages. However, the credit is proportionate to the hours of no service.

If an employer pays for health insurance for employees that are not working (whether or not they have received other wages), the entire health insurance premium is eligible. If the employee is working reduced hours, health insurance is prorated in proportion.

The maximum credit is $5,000 per employee per year.

How do I claim this credit?
To claim this credit, reduce your payroll tax deposits by 50% of your qualified wage. If the credit is higher than the tax deposits, an accelerated credit can be requested through Form 7200 without having to wait for your 941 filing.
Please note: This credit does not get calculated as income, but rather as a reduction of wages, and will therefore decrease your wages for 199A calculation.


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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1385 on: May 25, 2020, 02:40:20 PM »
Should a sole proprietor (with no employees) be hesitant to apply if they're not totally sure if they can with all certainty confirm the line that keeps coming up in bold letters
"current economic uncertainty makes this loan request necessary to support the ongoing operations of the Applicant"?

Or is that line there more for the big boys?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1386 on: May 25, 2020, 03:15:48 PM »
By the Average FTE calculation on the PPP Loan forgiveness application they are asking to calculate Average FTE bet Feb 15-Apr-26. My payroll week for employees runs From Sat-Fri, Since Feb 15 was on shabbes and Apr 26 ended on Sunday in includes another 2 days from the new week (Apr 25-26) where the employees didnt work, add to that week of pasech which was also closed, making all employees only PT employees...   However on Feb 15 all employees were considered FT employees therefore making some problems...
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1388 on: May 25, 2020, 03:51:46 PM »
By the Average FTE calculation on the PPP Loan forgiveness application they are asking to calculate Average FTE bet Feb 15-Apr-26. My payroll week for employees runs From Sat-Fri, Since Feb 15 was on shabbes and Apr 26 ended on Sunday in includes another 2 days from the new week (Apr 25-26) where the employees didnt work, add to that week of pasech which was also closed, making all employees only PT employees...   However on Feb 15 all employees were considered FT employees therefore making some problems...

You can compare to:
Jan 1, 2020 or
Feb 15, 2020
You don't have to compare to a full period.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1389 on: May 25, 2020, 07:02:07 PM »
You can compare to:
Jan 1, 2020 or
Feb 15, 2020
You don't have to compare to a full period.
You need to compare the period of Feb-15 to Apr 26 vs Jan 1 or Feb 15

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1390 on: May 25, 2020, 07:19:56 PM »
You need to compare the period of Feb-15 to Apr 26 vs Jan 1 or Feb 15

FTE lookback options:
Compare covered period FTE to February 15, 2019 through June 30, 2019 or January 1, 2020 through February 29, 2020 FTE
Compare June 30, 2020 to February 15, 2020
Compare last day of covered period to  January 1, 2020

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1391 on: May 25, 2020, 07:33:48 PM »
FTE lookback options:

Compare June 30, 2020 to February 15, 2020

This only needs to be done if the Feb 15-Apr 26 period is lower than Feb 15.  Step 1 and step 2 from the Schedule A worksheet for FTE Reduction Safe Harbor

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1392 on: May 25, 2020, 07:46:24 PM »
This only needs to be done if the Feb 15-Apr 26 period is lower than Feb 15.  Step 1 and step 2 from the Schedule A worksheet for FTE Reduction Safe Harbor

Correct, but the point is you have multiple periods to compare to so if one doesn't work, go with another.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1393 on: May 25, 2020, 11:48:44 PM »
Can anyone verify whether there is a hard credit pull for PPP? Specifically through Bluevine?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1394 on: May 26, 2020, 07:29:44 PM »
Question regarding forgiveness.
I didn't see this discussed.

If I have an employee that gets fired 4 weeks into the 8 weeks period.
Will it be considered a salary wage reduction?

We have enough FTE so we won't get a deduction because of that.

Thanks 



 
 

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1395 on: May 26, 2020, 07:32:57 PM »
Question regarding forgiveness.
I didn't see this discussed.

If I have an employee that gets fired 4 weeks into the 8 weeks period.
Will it be considered a salary wage reduction?

We have enough FTE so we won't get a deduction because of that.

Thanks
If you don't need to use that employees income for the forgiveness as you have enough payroll expenses spend without him than it for sure won't count as a reduction

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1396 on: May 26, 2020, 07:33:31 PM »
I called SBA about the EIDL loan, and tier 1 support answered the call with no hold time.

She did confirm that the loan term starts at funding, not when docs are released. That I have sixty days to sign the docs, and that if I already have a PPP I don’t have to roll the EIDL loan into it, but that my PPP forgiveness would be reduced by the amount of my EIDL advance.

Once I get loan docs I’ll ask tier 2 (the ones who can access a loan applications and answer application-specific questions) and ask the same questions.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1397 on: May 26, 2020, 07:39:00 PM »
Question regarding forgiveness.
I didn't see this discussed.

If I have an employee that gets fired 4 weeks into the 8 weeks period.
Will it be considered a salary wage reduction?

We have enough FTE so we won't get a deduction because of that.

Thanks

The forgiveness rate for your loan will not be reduced if an employee was fired with just cause.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1398 on: May 27, 2020, 12:12:41 AM »
Anyone else besides @thebudgetdeals got approval from Dime?
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #1399 on: May 27, 2020, 12:21:39 AM »
I called SBA about the EIDL loan, and tier 1 support answered the call with no hold time.

She did confirm that the loan term starts at funding, not when docs are released. That I have sixty days to sign the docs, and that if I already have a PPP I don’t have to roll the EIDL loan into it, but that my PPP forgiveness would be reduced by the amount of my EIDL advance.

Once I get loan docs I’ll ask tier 2 (the ones who can access a loan applications and answer application-specific questions) and ask the same questions.

Doesn't say so on the loan form. Says loan starts from note date which is the date you receive papers to sign