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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3120 on: February 04, 2021, 11:43:18 PM »
Freudian typo?
No, I was imitating Rodrick Heffley.

ETA: Did a Google search. Book wasn't coming up, but found this. Seems to be from the movie.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3121 on: February 05, 2021, 01:51:25 AM »
Can you the Owner get the Credit for your personal payroll or profit?
This is the golden question, isn’t it? Regrettably, the answer is somewhat in a gray area. All we know regarding this particular detail comes from the IRS.gov Newsroom and the FAQ section regarding the ERTC. 

For sole proprietors, the answer is no. The IRS in FAQ #23 makes it clear that they are not going to allow the ERTC for sole proprietors under their interpretation of the CARES Act. They also clearly state that the FAQ section has not been updated under the Taxpayer Certainty and Disaster Tax Relief Act of 2020, enacted December 27, 2020. Most professionals agree that the new legislation doesn’t change the rule for sole proprietors.

However, FAQ #23 does not address corporations, or more specifically, S-Corporation owners. In fact, FAQ #59 states that S-Corporations are allowed to take the ERTC for their employees (assuming the business owner complies with all the other rules, including not claiming payroll for the ERTC that was covered with PPP money).

FAQ #59 further states that payroll for “related individuals” of the S-Corporation owners cannot be used for calculating the ERTC. However, it conspicuously does not state that the "owner" is considered a related individual.

So, when it comes to the action owners of S-Corporations holding 50% or more of the stock, the safe bet is to consider them a "related individual," and thus the owner cannot receive the ERTC on their own payroll. This cautious interpretation would fall in line with other rules in the code regarding self-dealing or prohibited transactions (i.e. Section 1372 of the Internal Revenue Code requires that 2% or greater shareholders be treated as partners in a partnership for this purpose, making them self-employed individuals instead of employees).

Thus, for purposes of this article and the advice we are giving our clients, until we see definitive guidance and a stance from the IRC on the issue of payroll for owners of an S-Corporation owning 50% or more of the entity, we would not claim the ERTC on their wages.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3122 on: February 08, 2021, 02:00:21 AM »
Got my EIDL application email tonight, filled it out and submitted it. Most of the information is pre-filled and the only information you add is your gross revenue for each month of 2019, 2020, and 2021 year-to-date. If your application is accepted, you will need to provide access for them to request a 4506-T to confirm your information for 2019.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3123 on: February 08, 2021, 06:27:30 AM »
Got my EIDL application email tonight, filled it out and submitted it. Most of the information is pre-filled and the only information you add is your gross revenue for each month of 2019, 2020, and 2021 year-to-date. If your application is accepted, you will need to provide access for them to request a 4506-T to confirm your information for 2019.
I won't say Mazal Tov yet, but congrats on getting that far. Hope you're approved!

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3124 on: February 08, 2021, 10:00:28 AM »
Does anyone have any trick or formula in QuickBooks to be able to find any eight week period that has a 30% reduction?
Doing it month by month I don't come even close to that number.. but maybe some random 8 week period might... (IE the 04/16 till 06/14 etc.)

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3125 on: February 08, 2021, 11:30:55 AM »
Got my EIDL application email tonight, filled it out and submitted it. Most of the information is pre-filled and the only information you add is your gross revenue for each month of 2019, 2020, and 2021 year-to-date. If your application is accepted, you will need to provide access for them to request a 4506-T to confirm your information for 2019.

I got mine this morning and submitted it. Hoping it moves at least as quickly as the first grant did.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3126 on: February 08, 2021, 11:36:47 AM »
I got mine this morning and submitted it. Hoping it moves at least as quickly as the first grant did.
If everything's in place, they have 21 days to fund. Luckily they were given a deadline by when they must... (not that it helped last time but still).

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3127 on: February 08, 2021, 11:40:34 AM »
If everything's in place, they have 21 days to fund. Luckily they were given a deadline by when they must... (not that it helped last time but still).

That's sweet. Does the clock start from when I submitted the application today? From when I'm approved? From when I send them my 4506-T?
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3128 on: February 08, 2021, 11:59:31 AM »
That's sweet. Does the clock start from when I submitted the application today? From when I'm approved? From when I send them my 4506-T?
According to the FAQ 21 days from completing the application.
The 4506-T is listed as "may request" and not as an absolute requirement.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3129 on: February 08, 2021, 12:07:55 PM »
Got funded the first round with cross river on the with 1125-e Compensation of Officers, tried submitting it for round two and was declined, so I sent it into biz2credit and it's been holding by submitted to SBA for over a week now. Anyone else have that issue, or know if CR will do it with just 1125-E again?


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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3130 on: February 08, 2021, 03:19:12 PM »
I received a email  for a sba EIDL advance.  is this the same thing as what we got last March/April of 1k per employee? is this for everyone? how do i know if i am in a low income community?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3131 on: February 08, 2021, 03:24:41 PM »
I received a email  for a sba EIDL advance.  is this the same thing as what we got last March/April of 1k per employee? is this for everyone? how do i know if i am in a low income community?

It's the same, 1k per employee up to 10. I read somewhere that they only emailed you if you qualify.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3133 on: February 08, 2021, 03:33:47 PM »
It's the same, 1k per employee up to 10. I read somewhere that they only emailed you if you qualify.
Actually it's 10k, so if you got 1k before and you're eligible now, you get 9k.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3134 on: February 08, 2021, 04:03:08 PM »
For a sole prop who did PPP 1 and 2 but never did EIDL (because back then, they said that the $1k grant would be deducted from PPP 1 forgiveness, which made it pointless), can that sole prop now apply for that EIDL $1k grant now that the rules have changed?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3135 on: February 08, 2021, 04:08:01 PM »
For a sole prop who did PPP 1 and 2 but never did EIDL (because back then, they said that the $1k grant would be deducted from PPP 1 forgiveness, which made it pointless), can that sole prop now apply for that EIDL $1k grant now that the rules have changed?

Too late to apply for that grant. You can apply for an EIDL loan, and if they still have funds left they might decide to include you in the current $10 grant (if you're eligible). As of now only prior grant recipients or EIDL applicants before 12/27/20 are eligible for the $10k grant.
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3136 on: February 08, 2021, 04:33:26 PM »
If anyone switched entity mid-year and is looking for a bank that will look at both entities as a continuation for PPP approval, I have a bank that can do this. Feel free to PM me.

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3137 on: February 08, 2021, 06:56:49 PM »
It's the same, 1k per employee up to 10. I read somewhere that they only emailed you if you qualify.
So if I didn't get the email yet, does that mean I don't qualify?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3138 on: February 08, 2021, 07:00:10 PM »
Is the current advance grant going to be deducted from the ppp draw 2 forgiveness?

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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
« Reply #3139 on: February 08, 2021, 07:12:29 PM »
So if I didn't get the email yet, does that mean I don't qualify?
It's going to take them a few weeks to notify everyone.