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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 71809 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #150 on: May 07, 2020, 05:47:37 PM »
Let's hope this doesn't happen because we could be looking at situations where camps would have to go bankrupt if they started preparing for camp and had to stop abruptly at the 11th hour.

One more reason not to let them charge, then youíll be guilty of bankrupting them when you demand the refund you deserve when they decide not to open.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #151 on: May 07, 2020, 05:50:15 PM »
One more reason not to let them charge, then youíll be guilty of bankrupting them when you demand the refund you deserve when they decide not to open.



Are you talking about Old camps or New Ones?

The new ones I would be wary, old ones would be stupid to loose a name over money.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #152 on: May 07, 2020, 05:55:08 PM »
Are you talking about Old camps or New Ones?

The new ones I would be wary, old ones would be stupid to loose a name over money.
Itís not about losing a name. The costs they have to put into preparing camp every year wonít be recouped on their end. Most camp operators live off this the whole year and donít have reserves to cover these costs and refund the parents.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #153 on: May 07, 2020, 06:02:34 PM »
The new ones I would be wary, old ones would be stupid to loose a name over money.
Yup, this caused all the longtime Pesach programs with reputations to uphold to give full refunds when they had to cancel at the 11th hour.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #154 on: May 07, 2020, 06:03:50 PM »
Yup, this caused all the longtime Pesach programs with reputations to uphold to give full refunds.
Not.

Edit: To match @Dans edit :)


Point Taken. I will ask one of the directors on Sunday.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #155 on: May 07, 2020, 06:04:24 PM »
Point Taken. I will ask one of the directors on Sunday.
You're going to ask a nogaya b'davar. What will that prove?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #156 on: May 07, 2020, 06:06:51 PM »
You're going to ask a nogaya b'davar. What will that prove?
Asking why they started charging and what his plan is.

He was from the first to stop charging, I asked him when he started again (May 1), he said that as of now they are assuming that it should be ok to start.

If they see that in one month (June 1) that it is not going good, they will stop charging.

He also pointed out that those that were concerned, pulled the children out already.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #157 on: May 07, 2020, 06:09:16 PM »
My Point of View:
I will be sending to camp (and paid for some of it), but in my case its different as its a special needs child.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #158 on: May 07, 2020, 06:10:06 PM »
Asking why they started charging and what his plan is.

He was from the first to stop charging, I asked him when he started again (May 1), he said that as of now they are assuming that it should be ok to start.

If they see that in one month (June 1) that it is not going good, they will stop charging.

He also pointed out that those that were concerned, pulled the children out already.
They're charging because they have expenses. Just like the Pesach programs.

If they have to cancel, parents will be pressured to accept a future credit or partial refund. Just like the Pesach programs.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #159 on: May 07, 2020, 06:10:47 PM »
My Point of View:
I will be sending to camp (and paid for some of it), but in my case its different as its a special needs child.
These might have a better shot of getting regulatory approval.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #160 on: May 07, 2020, 06:13:39 PM »
If they have to cancel, parents will be pressured to accept a future credit or partial refund. Just like the Pesach programs.

/.02.

Crowd he is dealing with will guaranteed disputed

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #161 on: May 07, 2020, 06:14:32 PM »
Crowd he is dealing with will guaranteed disputed
What does the contract say?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #162 on: May 07, 2020, 06:15:40 PM »
These might have a better shot of getting regulatory approval.

If I am not mistaken they got already, but it was that same approval that all camp's got. (The words were something along the lines of: no one knows whats going to happen so you can continue until we tell you, STOP!)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #163 on: May 07, 2020, 06:15:56 PM »
What does the contract say?
Not sure I can check on sunday, if it says anything.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #164 on: May 07, 2020, 09:41:14 PM »
Let's hope this doesn't happen because we could be looking at situations where camps would have to go bankrupt if they started preparing for camp and had to stop abruptly at the 11th hour.
If they dont open They'll go bankrupt regardless if the decision is made in the 11th hour or 2 months ago. Sleep away camps are a full year business, they likely spend close to 1m on overhead and  administration during the year before actual camp expenses.