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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #211 on: May 19, 2020, 10:07:45 AM »
Now that I pretty convinced camps won’t open. Is there a tread on above ground pools. One that is 4 ft deep but will be taken down at the end of the summer.
i bought this one for $367. about a month or so ago... its not 4' deep but close...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bestway-Power-Steel-16-x-10-x-42-Oval-Frame-Swimming-Pool-Set-with-Pump-Ladder-and-Cover/55190500
walmart also credited me the freight shipping

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #212 on: May 19, 2020, 10:20:45 AM »
Connecticut's Governor Ned Lamont signed an executive order prohibiting resident camps (sleep away camps) but allowing Day camps to open not before June 22nd with Restrictions.



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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #213 on: May 19, 2020, 12:11:56 PM »
when will there be a post on DDMS about camps not refunding deposits? granted they might have not deposited head checks or charged cards but many people wont be able to pay the some 2,000 balance (and thats just one session) on short notice
has anyone asked for and been given a refund of deposit?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #214 on: May 19, 2020, 12:17:23 PM »
Connecticut's Governor Ned Lamont signed an executive order prohibiting resident camps (sleep away camps) but allowing Day camps to open not before June 22nd with Restrictions.



This seems counter to science but may be responsive to daycare needs.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #215 on: May 19, 2020, 12:20:28 PM »
Connecticut's Governor Ned Lamont signed an executive order prohibiting resident camps (sleep away camps) but allowing Day camps to open not before June 22nd with Restrictions.

I just got the following in an email from a camp:

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First the good news: The State of Connecticut, Office of Early Childhood (the agency that gives us our camp license) has released guidelines for summer camps to be able to open this summer. These include detailed safety procedures that the camp can put in place to operate safely.

The Even Better News: Our wonderful camp directors and staff are continuously working full steam ahead with all the camp preparations for this coming camp season to make it a truly great summer.

We are anticipating that, between now and the end of June, the OEC will have some updates and changes so we will give them a few weeks to edit and confirm the guidelines. Once they are done, we will send a follow up email to keep you informed and to provide you with any modified Medical forms and other information you need to make coming to camp this summer as smooth a process as possible.

And the following follow-up email:
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Dear Parents, Shyichyu,

Yesterday, the Governor of CT signed a new Executive Order that outlines dates for reopening the state. In it, he announced that he is not allowing overnight camps to open.
This overrides the previous guidelines and permission presented by the commissioner of the OEC - the agency that licenses camps.

Along with many many other overnight camps in CT, we were fully anticipating to open prior to this order. As such, we have been moving full-steam ahead with cabin improvements, adding additional indoor space to better accommodate more stay-in-camp activities and more.

As our motto up until this point was the ruling of our Rebbeim that “tracht gut VET zein gut”, this is still our motto, and we are hopeful that this order will be reversed bezH.
We are currently reaching out to the office of the OEC, the Governor’s office, and the ACA.

We will send out any further updates as soon as they are available, and as always, our updates will be based only on verified information from the state or from the Commissioner of the OEC.

...

PS, Notably, the order does allow for summer school and day camps to open and is not in line with the CDC that overnight camps can operate safely this summer. It also ignores the American Camping Association recommendations which agree that overnight camps are safer than staying home or even going to day camps.

In light of all the above, we are hopeful that a new order will in time change the ruling to allow for overnight camps to open.

In the meantime, we encourage you to voice your objections to the governor’s office and let them know that if day camps and summer school can open safely, so can overnight camps, if not more so. Email-Governor-LamontEmail-Governor-Lamont.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #216 on: May 19, 2020, 12:24:12 PM »
I heard that Passaic day camps are cancelled.
If so, certainly not officially. Or even unofficially, in some cases.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #218 on: May 19, 2020, 10:48:33 PM »
according to this article, cgi montreal is also not opening this year
https://collive.com/cgi-toronto-wont-be-opening-this-summer/

i am still not sure why with all the guidelines etc that camps would want to expose themselves nor do i understand parents that are comfortable sending. i am torn between both sides

so many things can go wrong and although its great to want to "open the country back up" i think overnight camp is a luxury albeit a very beneficial one so it should be treated as such and the overnight camps should really think of a way to make the parents feel better and comfortable by just saying outright that camp wont be the same if it does open and you can get a refund etc if you so desire... why wait till  a week before? how will they expect payment etc on such short notice?

just think they should be a mentch about it.... like everyone else offering deferments etc... people lost jobs, might not have money etc...do the right thing and see what the parent body also thinks and then make a decision... its not only about money this year

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #219 on: May 19, 2020, 10:54:53 PM »
according to this article, cgi montreal is also not opening this year
https://collive.com/cgi-toronto-wont-be-opening-this-summer/

i am still not sure why with all the guidelines etc that camps would want to expose themselves nor do i understand parents that are comfortable sending. i am torn between both sides

so many things can go wrong and although its great to want to "open the country back up" i think overnight camp is a luxury albeit a very beneficial one so it should be treated as such and the overnight camps should really think of a way to make the parents feel better and comfortable by just saying outright that camp wont be the same if it does open and you can get a refund etc if you so desire... why wait till  a week before? how will they expect payment etc on such short notice?

just think they should be a mentch about it.... like everyone else offering deferments etc... people lost jobs, might not have money etc...do the right thing and see what the parent body also thinks and then make a decision... its not only about money this year
There is a counter argument that kids have been locked up and home for two months and let them go to camp and have a carefree few weeks. I wopld love if my daughter would be able to go (although since she had symptoms i'm not that concerned from a health standpoint)

I do agree camps should try to be understanding with parents who have been adversely affected financially but keep in mind it is likely the camps are also going to take a big hit

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #220 on: May 19, 2020, 10:54:59 PM »
according to this article, cgi montreal is also not opening this year
https://collive.com/cgi-toronto-wont-be-opening-this-summer/

CGI Montreal is governed by Ontario?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #221 on: May 19, 2020, 11:02:28 PM »
CGI Montreal is governed by Ontario?
no
that is toronto

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #222 on: May 19, 2020, 11:07:24 PM »
There is a counter argument that kids have been locked up and home for two months and let them go to camp and have a carefree few weeks. I wopld love if my daughter would be able to go (although since she had symptoms i'm not that concerned from a health standpoint)

I do agree camps should try to be understanding with parents who have been adversely affected financially but keep in mind it is likely the camps are also going to take a big hit
agreed but at the end of day, from my experience, people in all fields are taking hits and hurting but they also are working with their tenants, landlords, banks, lenders, grocery stores, etc... so if its no fault of the parents, camp directors should be understanding and open/honest. just be straight forward without rif raf,,,

im speaking from limited experience but dont say the deposit is non refundable etc but say here is what we are thinking this is our expectations, we will decide by x date if we arent opening, etc.... something like that... camp is a month away
parents need to plan and decide too

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #223 on: May 19, 2020, 11:11:57 PM »
agreed but at the end of day, from my experience, people in all fields are taking hits and hurting but they also are working with their tenants, landlords, banks, lenders, grocery stores, etc... so if its no fault of the parents, camp directors should be understanding and open/honest. just be straight forward without rif raf,,,

im speaking from limited experience but dont say the deposit is non refundable etc but say here is what we are thinking this is our expectations, we will decide by x date if we arent opening, etc.... something like that... camp is a month away
parents need to plan and decide too
None of those you listed are out of the kindness of their hearts. Landlords would much rather give a tenant a discount and he pays now that need to wait until they start allowing evictions again for example.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #224 on: May 19, 2020, 11:16:28 PM »
agreed but at the end of day, from my experience, people in all fields are taking hits and hurting but they also are working with their tenants, landlords, banks, lenders, grocery stores, etc... so if its no fault of the parents, camp directors should be understanding and open/honest. just be straight forward without rif raf,,,

im speaking from limited experience but dont say the deposit is non refundable etc but say here is what we are thinking this is our expectations, we will decide by x date if we arent opening, etc.... something like that... camp is a month away
parents need to plan and decide too
They aren't communicating because they don't have what to communicate. They want to open and are trying to but have no concrete information

I haven't heard anything from my daughters camp (although they haven't cashed the check for the payment from April), it would be nice to hear something but I understand why I haven't