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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 77656 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #375 on: June 11, 2020, 09:43:04 PM »
They come in on a truck and unload out of view of the road. I'm not saying it's impossible, but they'd have very difficult time staking out hundreds of camps that could potentially be open and they don't know which day they're opening.
I 100% hear what you're saying, but if I was a camp director I still wouldn't want to risk it.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #376 on: June 11, 2020, 09:51:32 PM »
I 100% hear what you're saying, but if I was a camp director I still wouldn't want to risk it.
-1 not sure which camp you went to. But most summers, camps have the local PD show up for loud noise at night, cars parked on the road etc... If the governor clearly states that sleep away camps can't open. You dont need the FBI, you have neighbors that will gladly call and report you. Most of them dont want you there on a regular year.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #377 on: June 11, 2020, 09:55:41 PM »
Without a warrant, they'd have a very difficult time finding evidence that it's a sleepaway camp and not day camp.
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Wouldn't there be dozens (or hundreds) of delivery trucks, repairmen, etc over the summer who would all enter camp and see exactly what's going on? And not to mention neighbors and people from the surrounding towns being on high alert- they'll know in a second.

It'll be all over social media in no time, in the press shortly thereafter (news-hungry reporters at the camp entrance eager for a juicy story), and on a desk in whatever police dept enforces this stuff not too long after. And then can't the police just get a warrant?

I think it's highly unlikely (practically impossible) that any camp can stay under the radar for more than a few days with hundreds of kids.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 10:03:36 PM by Yehudaa »

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #378 on: June 11, 2020, 10:33:12 PM »
-1 not sure which camp you went to. But most summers, camps have the local PD show up for loud noise at night, cars parked on the road etc... If the governor clearly states that sleep away camps can't open. You dont need the FBI, you have neighbors that will gladly call and report you. Most of them dont want you there on a regular year.
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Wouldn't there be dozens (or hundreds) of delivery trucks, repairmen, etc over the summer who would all enter camp and see exactly what's going on? And not to mention neighbors and people from the surrounding towns being on high alert- they'll know in a second.

It'll be all over social media in no time, in the press shortly thereafter (news-hungry reporters at the camp entrance eager for a juicy story), and on a desk in whatever police dept enforces this stuff not too long after. And then can't the police just get a warrant?

I think it's highly unlikely (practically impossible) that any camp can stay under the radar for more than a few days with hundreds of kids.
All of this can easily be excused as day camp. I heard camps are planning on having full days including night activities Sunday-Friday.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #379 on: June 11, 2020, 10:37:34 PM »
All of this can easily be excused as day camp. I heard camps are planning on having full days including night activities Sunday-Friday.
Depending on the neighbors, it can be very risky
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #380 on: June 11, 2020, 10:38:37 PM »
-1 not sure which camp you went to. But most summers, camps have the local PD show up for loud noise at night, cars parked on the road etc... If the governor clearly states that sleep away camps can't open. You dont need the FBI, you have neighbors that will gladly call and report you. Most of them dont want you there on a regular year.
This seems to be why they don't have permission to open. Big pressure from the locals.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #381 on: June 11, 2020, 11:29:51 PM »
All of this can easily be excused as day camp.
-1. When a non-Jewish employee posts on Facebook that it's running as a sleepaway camp, or when the electrician or plumber or building inspector sees a bunkhouse full of kids' stuff, or when the non-Jews in town talk about how they never see kids leaving the campus after night activities end, or when the UPS guy hears an announcement on the PA about early wakeup tmrw, or when the angry-at-the-system cousin rants on social media about his relatives in sleepaway camp, or when the neighbor's surveillance cameras capture the staff families driving up with a month's worth of stuff tied down on top of their Oddeysey.... it's gonna be pretty clear what's going on.

Sorry, there's just no way to slip under the radar with something this big in 2020.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 11:33:28 PM by Yehudaa »

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #382 on: June 11, 2020, 11:31:56 PM »
Some boys camps (older boys) operate as  TR (temporary residence) and are planning to open undisturbed.
hope it'll work for them.

PS. I have no clue whatsoever the legal terms, so don't ask me.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #383 on: June 12, 2020, 12:43:19 AM »
Some boys camps (older boys) operate as  TR (temporary residence) and are planning to open undisturbed.
hope it'll work for them.

PS. I have no clue whatsoever the legal terms, so don't ask me.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #384 on: June 12, 2020, 01:02:04 AM »
Solution
run it as TR, rent it out for 1 family
that family will invite many guests with social distancing of course....... problem solved

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #387 on: June 12, 2020, 12:21:59 PM »
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/camp-machane-yehuda-director-theres-still-hope-for-ny-camps.html
this article doesn't add anything
we all believe what he believes
we all hope for what he hopes
and reality is still the same

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #388 on: June 12, 2020, 12:26:49 PM »
this article doesn't add anything
we all believe what he believes
we all hope for what he hopes
and reality is still the same

This is TLS.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #389 on: June 12, 2020, 12:27:01 PM »
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