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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #460 on: June 15, 2020, 08:56:56 PM »
"Did you know that U.S. summer camps were recently estimated to be a $15 billion industry nationwide? And that figure doesnít even take into account just how incredible theyíve become within the Millennial age."
what did come into play with Cuomo was that most of the non Jewish and non frum camps had already cancelled by the time Cuomo made the decision so in essence he was really fighting with only the frum camps

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #461 on: June 15, 2020, 09:23:08 PM »

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #462 on: June 15, 2020, 09:27:30 PM »
what did come into play with Cuomo was that most of the non Jewish and non frum camps had already cancelled by the time Cuomo made the decision so in essence he was really fighting with only the frum camps
So the others were using common sense?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #463 on: June 15, 2020, 09:28:16 PM »
Jews can handle (or are used to) doing things at the last minute
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #464 on: June 15, 2020, 09:35:03 PM »
So the others were using common sense?

They don't see counting education through the summer a critical necessity. And yes we think camp is a part of education system.
Having kids definitely teenagers home all summer is a major problem.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #465 on: June 15, 2020, 09:37:20 PM »
They don't see counting education through the summer a critical necessity. And yes we think camp is a part of education system.
Having kids definitely teenagers home all summer is a major problem.
I can see the education part being a major issue.
The teenagers being home I don't see as an issue.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #466 on: June 15, 2020, 09:37:46 PM »
So the others were using common sense?
Camp is an integral piece of development for lots of kids.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #467 on: June 15, 2020, 09:39:42 PM »
Camp is an integral piece of development for lots of kids.
So is school, sports and many other things that were cancelled.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #468 on: June 15, 2020, 09:41:31 PM »
So is school, sports and many other things that were cancelled.
School can be somewhat replaced by zoom, lots of people I know who gained so much from their summers in camp wouldnít be able to replace it with a couple zoom sessions a day.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #469 on: June 15, 2020, 09:45:11 PM »
School can be somewhat replaced by zoom, lots of people I know who gained so much from their summers in camp wouldnít be able to replace it with a couple zoom sessions a day.
I am not disagreeing. There are many things that can't be replaced.
Catholic camps are an integral part of their teachings. Just like when Churches were closed they might not agree but understand why.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #470 on: June 15, 2020, 09:47:22 PM »
I am not disagreeing. There are many things that can't be replaced.
Catholic camps are an integral part of their teachings. Just like when Churches were closed they might not agree but understand why.
But they had plans which were prepared and looked over by lots of different people which the governor and his team didnít even bother to look at. Thatís where all of this anger stems from.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #471 on: June 15, 2020, 09:58:16 PM »
I am not disagreeing. There are many things that can't be replaced.
Catholic camps are an integral part of their teachings. Just like when Churches were closed they might not agree but understand why.
when schools closed for a month or three in march, we shut them ahead of gov guidance, for good reason.
this despite the religious imperative of schools being of greater urgency than camps.
the reasons in march no longer apply logically;
they had plans which were prepared and looked over by lots of different people which the governor and his team didnít even bother to look at. Thatís where all of this anger stems from.
this mayor/governor are just enjoying flexing authoritarian muscle. kinda like trump and the protests

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #472 on: June 16, 2020, 10:15:54 AM »
Most camp announcements I've seen have included some kind of plan for prevention of infections. What I haven't seen is any comprehensive plan for how infections will be handled if they do occur during camp. Has anyone seen any plan published from any of the overnight camps, especially the new ones which have popped up to fill the void?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #473 on: June 16, 2020, 11:58:57 AM »
Most camp announcements I've seen have included some kind of plan for prevention of infections. What I haven't seen is any comprehensive plan for how infections will be handled if they do occur during camp. Has anyone seen any plan published from any of the overnight camps, especially the new ones which have popped up to fill the void?
I have heard that Camp Agudah Midwest (South Haven MI) is only allowing campers that live within a 24 hour drive, in case of a COVID-19 breakout.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #474 on: June 16, 2020, 12:06:52 PM »
Most camp announcements I've seen have included some kind of plan for prevention of infections. What I haven't seen is any comprehensive plan for how infections will be handled if they do occur during camp. Has anyone seen any plan published from any of the overnight camps, especially the new ones which have popped up to fill the void?
Is it necessary to publicly publish these plans?
I'm sure they have one and anyway what are the chances of an in camp outbreak with the iron clad rules they have?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #475 on: June 16, 2020, 12:18:16 PM »
I have heard that Camp Agudah Midwest (South Haven MI) is only allowing campers that live within a 24 hour drive, in case of a COVID-19 breakout.

Parents would be expected to drive 24 hours each way to pick up their kids in case of an outbreak? Or is camp providing the transportation?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #476 on: June 16, 2020, 12:26:01 PM »
Is it necessary to publicly publish these plans?
I'm sure they have one and anyway what are the chances of an in camp outbreak with the iron clad rules they have?

A) You're assuming the rules will be kept and that they'll be effective. I think there are too many moving pieces to a camp to guarantee wholesale compliance, and that's with a situation that is more established than a virus we know little about. Given the unknowns, I have no idea what the chances of an outbreak in an overnight camp are, which is why...

B) a published emergency response plan is absolutely necessary. As a parent, why would you just assume camp has a plan? And why wouldn't you want to know what it is, in case it involves you having to pick up your kid halfway across the country?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #478 on: June 16, 2020, 12:40:57 PM »
I have heard that Camp Agudah Midwest (South Haven MI) is only allowing campers that live within a 24 hour drive, in case of a COVID-19 breakout.
Who exactly does the exclude?
 Anyone besides for International campers?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #479 on: June 16, 2020, 12:56:35 PM »
Who exactly does the exclude?
 Anyone besides for International campers?

LA/West coast.

And setting an expectation that parents can then drive 24 hours there, and then somehow also drive 24 hours home in case of an outbreak is crazy.

This should be capped at 8 hrs/16 hours roundtrip if they want any feasible way to make sure kids can get out within 24 hours.