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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2020, 04:24:36 PM »
I work for one of the big camps  got a phone call today that we should start opening next week
Can you pull permits to open the camp?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2020, 05:52:48 PM »
Can you pull permits to open the camp?
we only get CO when we pass inspection

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2020, 06:04:43 PM »
we only get CO when we pass inspection

Is this in Sullivan County?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2020, 06:02:58 AM »
Hope I'm not biased since a lot of my income comes from a sleepaway camp. I see more of a positive than negative outcome in opening camps. What's wrong with opening a camp with 1,000 kids who are not vulnerable to the virus? Counslers are usually in their teens or 20s. What your doing is taking the kids away from people who are most vulnerable (relatives, grandparents, neighbors, etc.), and isolating them in a place where they won't be in contact with anyone who can really be affected. The problem is Head Cousler/Owner. In the camp I work with the Head Counselor already had the virus. So if they work out a system where they social distance the owner and the 2 or 3 other people on campus that are over 40, I don't see the big deal in opening. Thoughts?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2020, 06:42:58 AM »
Hope I'm not biased since a lot of my income comes from a sleepaway camp. I see more of a positive than negative outcome in opening camps. What's wrong with opening a camp with 1,000 kids who are not vulnerable to the virus? Counslers are usually in their teens or 20s. What your doing is taking the kids away from people who are most vulnerable (relatives, grandparents, neighbors, etc.), and isolating them in a place where they won't be in contact with anyone who can really be affected. The problem is Head Cousler/Owner. In the camp I work with the Head Counselor already had the virus. So if they work out a system where they social distance the owner and the 2 or 3 other people on campus that are over 40, I don't see the big deal in opening. Thoughts?
What happens when camp is over in middle of an outbreak?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2020, 06:53:06 AM »
Hope I'm not biased since a lot of my income comes from a sleepaway camp. I see more of a positive than negative outcome in opening camps. What's wrong with opening a camp with 1,000 kids who are not vulnerable to the virus? Counslers are usually in their teens or 20s. What your doing is taking the kids away from people who are most vulnerable (relatives, grandparents, neighbors, etc.), and isolating them in a place where they won't be in contact with anyone who can really be affected. The problem is Head Cousler/Owner. In the camp I work with the Head Counselor already had the virus. So if they work out a system where they social distance the owner and the 2 or 3 other people on campus that are over 40, I don't see the big deal in opening. Thoughts?


Without knowing herd immunity numbers, this is risky. Letís say a camp with had 1k kids and only 10% are immune. One kid brings an infection with him to camp and it spreads slowly, keep in mind incubation period of 3-14 days. By the time the kids leave at the end of 1-2 months, they could send home 10 kids (or more) carrying an active infection out to a population that is still vulnerable.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2020, 09:03:32 AM »
Hope I'm not biased since a lot of my income comes from a sleepaway camp. I see more of a positive than negative outcome in opening camps. What's wrong with opening a camp with 1,000 kids who are not vulnerable to the virus? Counslers are usually in their teens or 20s. What your doing is taking the kids away from people who are most vulnerable (relatives, grandparents, neighbors, etc.), and isolating them in a place where they won't be in contact with anyone who can really be affected. The problem is Head Cousler/Owner. In the camp I work with the Head Counselor already had the virus. So if they work out a system where they social distance the owner and the 2 or 3 other people on campus that are over 40, I don't see the big deal in opening. Thoughts?
What about the bus drivers?

Itís possible that states will allow camps to open out of desperation. Peopleís psychological health is suddenly in the center of the conversation now.

However, itís also possible that they will place certain restrictions, such as limits of 100 campers or so per camp, and no field trips. Would you open under such conditions?

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Re: Will summer camps happen this year?
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2020, 09:46:52 AM »
Received an update that CGI Montreal not opening was inauthentic information.
was this everyone's news source about them not opening from April 1st?
http://nwpedia.club/show/1201697/camp-gan-israel-montreal-will-not-open-this-year-do-to-the-coronavirus-65047
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2020, 10:17:01 AM »
Without knowing herd immunity numbers, this is risky. Letís say a camp with had 1k kids and only 10% are immune. One kid brings an infection with him to camp and it spreads slowly, keep in mind incubation period of 3-14 days. By the time the kids leave at the end of 1-2 months, they could send home 10 kids (or more) carrying an active infection out to a population that is still vulnerable.
Didn't think of that, valid point.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2020, 01:15:44 PM »
Itís possible that states will allow camps to open out of desperation. Peopleís psychological health is suddenly in the center of the conversation now.

Iíve seen the psychological toll mentioned, but is it really center of conversation?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2020, 02:16:27 PM »
I just want to jump in and say that many parents have paid money toward summer camp already.
If camps do not end up opening they should refund the money.
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't pay camps to operate on Zoom.

If they do not operate in the usual manner, and refuse to refund, I will likely contest it with my credit card, halachically permitting.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2020, 02:17:35 PM »
halachically permitting.
What does the contract say?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2020, 02:23:04 PM »
What does the contract say?
It was prior to Corona.
I simply signed up online. I don't remember the details - there may not have been any.
Note this was for day camp, not sleep away which may have more rigorous  fine print.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2020, 02:23:23 PM »
What does the contract say?
Good point.

I don't think any of my children's camp contracts addressed what happens if camp doesn't open. (definitely didn't address trying to provide camp thru zoom).

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2020, 02:26:12 PM »
Good point.

I don't think any of my children's camp contracts addressed what happens if camp doesn't open. (definitely didn't address trying to provide camp thru zoom).
I have a hard time understanding the legitimacy of not refunding down-payments or partial/full payments if there is no camp. Its just crazy. 
Although camps may try to seek out ways to make it be that way.
I really have no intention of playing along