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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 90230 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #600 on: June 19, 2020, 11:19:09 AM »
Why shouldn’t the agudah be spending time working on this?
Going back in circles. Because multiple lawsuits of the nature have been tossed out by courts across the country up to SCOTUS. The outcome is well known.





How do you know the Agudah is involved?
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1874159/breaking-lawsuit-filed-summer-camps-organizations-sue-ny-governor-cuomo.html
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Following New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo’s crushing decision this past Friday to disallow overnight camps this summer, the Agudath Israel of America-led Association of Jewish Camp Operators (AJCO) and several parents filed suit today in federal court to overturn that decision.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #601 on: June 19, 2020, 11:23:30 AM »
Going back in circles. Because multiple lawsuits of the nature have been tossed out by courts across the country up to SCOTUS. The outcome is well known.

No lawsuit of this nature has been filed yet. SCOTUS ruling was basically that there is a big difference between business and gatherings. Therefore a religious gathering isn’t in the same boat as an essential business.

The lawsuit here is that once gatherings are being allowed - day camps, child care, protests - the governor can’t be arbitrary and capricious about which gatherings are allowed and which aren’t. And if gatherings are allowed then you can’t discriminate against religious gatherings as they are claiming.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #602 on: June 19, 2020, 11:30:42 AM »
It's a joke. It's just meant to justify raising funds for the organization and appease the public that they're doing something. Nobody really thinks this stands a chance, which is why no respectable attorney attached their name to it,
I agree its a massive stretch. Courts are quite deferential to legislators, and it seems to be a stretch that this would be in violation of 1A. But I would imagine the goal is just to stretch out the lawsuit long enough to allow camps to open this summer.

And as far as your last statement, I think that's just wrong. The attorney here is a very accomplished and very well regarded. He is the same one who was involved in the PEARLS/YAFFED lawsuits and for the most part he's quite "respectable."

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #603 on: June 19, 2020, 11:32:18 AM »
And as far as your last statement, I think that's just wrong. The attorney here is a very accomplished and very well regarded. He is the same one who was involved in the PEARLS/YAFFED lawsuits and for the most part he's quite "respectable."
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #604 on: June 19, 2020, 01:29:37 PM »

Keep the camps closed and just let the kids protest. They are having more fun they would every at any camp.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #605 on: June 19, 2020, 02:24:24 PM »
Keep the camps closed and just let the kids protest. They are having more fun they would every at any camp.

I beleive that's the first post of yours I ever "liked"!

Keep em coming!

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #606 on: June 19, 2020, 02:55:37 PM »
I beleive that's the first post of yours I ever "liked"!

Keep em coming!
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #607 on: June 19, 2020, 03:38:45 PM »
Keep the camps closed and just let the kids protest. They are having more fun they would every at any camp.
Yup, those were my thoughts as well, reminded me from camp chanting Night swim

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #608 on: June 19, 2020, 03:40:33 PM »
Yup, those were my thoughts as well, reminded me from camp chanting Night swim
Wait, the daily color war chants were a protest to have CW earlier?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #609 on: June 19, 2020, 05:53:21 PM »
Maybe this summer's protest camps can have color war between Team Black and Team White? As long as the right team wins!

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #610 on: June 20, 2020, 03:25:38 PM »
If I was a camp owner, instead of trying to fight the State I would try to get a lab to run a PCR test once or twice a week on pooled samples of the entire camp, like China did.  Cost should be minimal and it should be easy to convince the state under that arrangement with strong contingency plans in place the camps are safer than home.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #611 on: June 20, 2020, 03:46:54 PM »
If I was a camp owner, instead of trying to fight the State I would try to get a lab to run a PCR test once or twice a week on pooled samples of the entire camp, like China did.  Cost should be minimal and it should be easy to convince the state under that arrangement with strong contingency plans in place the camps are safer than home.
From the Agudah statement it sounds like they did this and it fell on deaf ears
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #612 on: June 20, 2020, 04:29:16 PM »
From the Agudah statement it sounds like they did this and it fell on deaf ears
The lawsuit (paragraphs 72-74) says the proposed protocol is to test all campers and staff for Covid & antibodies before camp, but then only monitor symptoms thereafter.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #613 on: June 20, 2020, 09:39:28 PM »
The lawsuit (paragraphs 72-74) says the proposed protocol is to test all campers and staff for Covid & antibodies before camp, but then only monitor symptoms thereafter.

If no one is allowed in or out of the camp then what is the need for constant testing?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #614 on: June 20, 2020, 11:39:00 PM »
The lawsuit (paragraphs 72-74) says the proposed protocol is to test all campers and staff for Covid & antibodies before camp, but then only monitor symptoms thereafter.
Isn't the antibodies test like a few hundred dollars?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #615 on: June 20, 2020, 11:55:40 PM »
Isn't the antibodies test like a few hundred dollars?
Many have it covered at community antibody drives also private Urgent care centers seem to be offering for free but not sure where the funding comes from.
Mine was covered by insurance
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #616 on: June 20, 2020, 11:59:22 PM »
Isn't the antibodies test like a few hundred dollars?

I haven't heard of anyone in NY paying for it.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #617 on: June 21, 2020, 12:03:46 AM »
I haven't heard of anyone in NY paying for it.
Insurance should cover.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #618 on: June 21, 2020, 12:57:53 AM »
Isn't the antibodies test like a few hundred dollars?
110 here in lakewood by one of the urgent cares if you want to pay out of pocket

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #619 on: June 21, 2020, 01:04:44 AM »
110 here in lakewood by one of the urgent cares if you want to pay out of pocket
That's not bad.
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