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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
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Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 114644 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2020, 03:42:09 PM »
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But idk if they can claim makos medina on something they didnít even begin putting together yet (assuming most start after pesach - as Iíve heard) and havenít lost anything yet besides future profits for something they will not be operating.
I may be wrong...
They are taking a loss on the campus plus any deposits for trips, supplies etc. as well as maintenance and year round staff.

Besides, who says they need a loss to declare Makas Medina?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2020, 07:06:38 PM »
Thatís probably true, but OP was talking about getting his deposit refunded. For future installments he has every right to stop them in advance, but if they charge them now without being told not to he wonít be able to be Motze them either.

Is that so? I would think that would be tefisah shelo be reshus once itís obvious there is an issue with opening

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #82 on: April 19, 2020, 07:07:52 PM »
Is that so? I would think that would be tefisah shelo be reshus once itís obvious there is an issue with opening
How shelo bershus? He explicitly authorized payment and hasnít retracted his authorization

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2020, 08:03:22 PM »
How shelo bershus? He explicitly authorized payment and hasnít retracted his authorization

Umdena that he doesnít realize that his cc is still being charged/ headcheck is still being cashed. No one pays for nothing willingly.

Seem to recall one of The Rabbonim guidelines specifically addressed headchecks. Iíll try to find it later.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #84 on: April 19, 2020, 08:08:39 PM »
Umdena that he doesnít realize that his cc is still being charged/ headcheck is still being cashed. No one pays for nothing willingly.

Seem to recall one of The Rabbonim guidelines specifically addressed headchecks. Iíll try to find it later.
They addressed head checks being deposited by a babysitter for a month in which we already know there will be no services performed. Here we are discussing a case where neither side is certain if it will, but if the father recants permission he will forfeit his previous deposit and thus lose if camp actually opens, or he can leave it as is and let it be cashed but will be forfeiting this money as well should the camp be forced not to open.

Again, the father certainly has a right to withdraw authorization to charge his card or cancel the checks, but if he does not withdraw permission, the camp would seemingly be fully within itsí rights to cash them assuming they honestly believe they will be opening.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #85 on: April 19, 2020, 10:21:16 PM »
They addressed head checks being deposited by a babysitter for a month in which we already know there will be no services performed. Here we are discussing a case where neither side is certain if it will, but if the father recants permission he will forfeit his previous deposit and thus lose if camp actually opens, or he can leave it as is and let it be cashed but will be forfeiting this money as well should the camp be forced not to open.

Again, the father certainly has a right to withdraw authorization to charge his card or cancel the checks, but if he does not withdraw permission, the camp would seemingly be fully within itsí rights to cash them assuming they honestly believe they will be opening.

If they truly honestly believe they are opening, not just wishful thinking thatís a different story. There is obviously no umdina. Conversely, I would be surprised if a beis din would allow a camp  to keep the deposit gratis in the event that they do open when the father is willing to send but withdrew his permission to cash the headchecks in the interim merely to protect his interest in this situation, not to be chozer...

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2020, 10:48:31 PM »
Looks positive

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2020, 10:52:47 PM »
Looks positive
https://collive.com/summer-camps-remain-in-limbo-awaiting-government-instructions/

I think we need to first know what the ďprecautionsĒ are. Per the above article, if the rules make it impossible for the camps to function, itís as good as closed.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2020, 11:25:13 PM »
https://collive.com/summer-camps-remain-in-limbo-awaiting-government-instructions/

I think we need to first know what the ďprecautionsĒ are. Per the above article, if the rules make it impossible for the camps to function, itís as good as closed.
If the kids are gonna be spending 8 weeks together in a camp Iíd imagine that social distancing wouldnít apply.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2020, 11:39:58 PM »
If the kids are gonna be spending 8 weeks together in a camp Iíd imagine that social distancing wouldnít apply.
It would be practically impossible to have camp with social distancing. Problem is if kids are asymptomatic it can slowly spread and they will come home with it.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #90 on: April 21, 2020, 12:37:50 AM »
It would be practically impossible to have camp with social distancing. Problem is if kids are asymptomatic it can slowly spread and they will come home with it.
So Iím assuming the hope is too test everyone before they come to camp, in two months I believe we will able to know much more clearly who does and doesnít have the virus

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #91 on: April 21, 2020, 01:57:20 AM »
So Iím assuming the hope is too test everyone before they come to camp, in two months I believe we will able to know much more clearly who does and doesnít have the virus
if the news regarding reinfection is true, how does that help us?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #92 on: April 21, 2020, 08:28:31 AM »
if the news regarding reinfection is true, how does that help us?
The news regarding reinfection is not yet significant and the prevalent medical theory is that you are immune to it for some period of time. But my point was more that if regular testing for the active virus could tell and guarantee that no one has the virus when they go into camp we could be at a point where itís viable.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #93 on: April 21, 2020, 08:42:18 AM »
Looks positive

LOL, got a similar letter from my camp but they added "if there is no camp we will issue a full refund of monies paid"  :) :) :)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #94 on: April 21, 2020, 08:46:19 AM »
LOL, got a similar letter from my camp but they added "if there is no camp we will issue a full refund of monies paid"  :) :) :)
Which camp?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #95 on: April 21, 2020, 10:22:16 AM »
At least one camp plans to open .

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #96 on: April 21, 2020, 10:25:46 AM »
The Pesach programs also planned to open.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #97 on: April 21, 2020, 10:28:09 AM »
The Pesach programs also planned to open.

They planned to open Pre Covid  , the camps plan to open with what is known.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #98 on: April 21, 2020, 10:30:10 AM »
Many were in denial long into Covid.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #99 on: April 21, 2020, 10:32:08 AM »
At least one camp plans to open .
I love the even better news. I was thinking a large discount or even free.
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