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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

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Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 173715 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #140 on: May 07, 2020, 04:42:18 PM »
Looks like it might be happen

On the contrary. It looks like Sullivan County is disinclined to let it happen, which is why the camps are lobbying so hard.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #141 on: May 07, 2020, 04:43:04 PM »
Looks like it might be happen
That's what Pesach programs also said until the 11th hour.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #142 on: May 07, 2020, 04:44:42 PM »
That's what Pesach programs also said until the 11th hour.
I hear, but R senter got permission for his yeshiva to open in Pennsylvania, might not be so far fetched

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #143 on: May 07, 2020, 04:44:51 PM »
That's what Pesach programs also said until the 11th hour.
All the big camps started charging. I think its safe to say that in 2 months, things can be worked out to make it safe.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #144 on: May 07, 2020, 04:45:59 PM »
All the big camps started charging. I think its safe to say that in 2 months, things can be worked out to make it safe.
Charging is the easy part. Even Pesach programs figured out how to charge.
It's the refunding that's tricky.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #145 on: May 07, 2020, 04:46:54 PM »
Looks like it might be happen
Some kids might not be interested in camp with no trips and other restrictions.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #146 on: May 07, 2020, 04:48:36 PM »
Charging is the easy part. Even Pesach programs figured out how to charge.
It's the refunding that's tricky.
GL.

Let's hope this doesn't happen because we could be looking at situations where camps would have to go bankrupt if they started preparing for camp and had to stop abruptly at the 11th hour.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #147 on: May 07, 2020, 04:49:51 PM »
Charging is the easy part. Even Pesach programs figured out how to charge.
It's the refunding that's tricky.
GL.
Most camps stopped charging and only continued now. They all are charging knowing that they may have to refund. (Heard this from 4 camp head directors)

Side Note: I was the one to put the charges on hold and the one to restart them.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #148 on: May 07, 2020, 04:50:31 PM »
Some kids might not be interested in camp with no trips and other restrictions.

I am sure there will be lots of kids that will jump at the opportunity to go away and be able interact with friends and play sports.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #149 on: May 07, 2020, 05:36:56 PM »
I hear, but R senter got permission for his yeshiva to open in Pennsylvania, might not be so far fetched

If you watch his video, he says that for the first 14 days - minimum, every person will have their own room, and he is taking over an 11-building, 35-acre campus. How realistic will it be to provide every camper with his own room for 2 weeks?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #150 on: May 07, 2020, 05:47:37 PM »
Let's hope this doesn't happen because we could be looking at situations where camps would have to go bankrupt if they started preparing for camp and had to stop abruptly at the 11th hour.

One more reason not to let them charge, then you’ll be guilty of bankrupting them when you demand the refund you deserve when they decide not to open.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #151 on: May 07, 2020, 05:50:15 PM »
One more reason not to let them charge, then you’ll be guilty of bankrupting them when you demand the refund you deserve when they decide not to open.



Are you talking about Old camps or New Ones?

The new ones I would be wary, old ones would be stupid to loose a name over money.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #152 on: May 07, 2020, 05:55:08 PM »
Are you talking about Old camps or New Ones?

The new ones I would be wary, old ones would be stupid to loose a name over money.
It’s not about losing a name. The costs they have to put into preparing camp every year won’t be recouped on their end. Most camp operators live off this the whole year and don’t have reserves to cover these costs and refund the parents.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #153 on: May 07, 2020, 06:02:34 PM »
The new ones I would be wary, old ones would be stupid to loose a name over money.
Yup, this caused all the longtime Pesach programs with reputations to uphold to give full refunds when they had to cancel at the 11th hour.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #154 on: May 07, 2020, 06:03:50 PM »
Yup, this caused all the longtime Pesach programs with reputations to uphold to give full refunds.
Not.

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Point Taken. I will ask one of the directors on Sunday.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #155 on: May 07, 2020, 06:04:24 PM »
Point Taken. I will ask one of the directors on Sunday.
You're going to ask a nogaya b'davar. What will that prove?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #156 on: May 07, 2020, 06:06:51 PM »
You're going to ask a nogaya b'davar. What will that prove?
Asking why they started charging and what his plan is.

He was from the first to stop charging, I asked him when he started again (May 1), he said that as of now they are assuming that it should be ok to start.

If they see that in one month (June 1) that it is not going good, they will stop charging.

He also pointed out that those that were concerned, pulled the children out already.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #157 on: May 07, 2020, 06:09:16 PM »
My Point of View:
I will be sending to camp (and paid for some of it), but in my case its different as its a special needs child.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #158 on: May 07, 2020, 06:10:06 PM »
Asking why they started charging and what his plan is.

He was from the first to stop charging, I asked him when he started again (May 1), he said that as of now they are assuming that it should be ok to start.

If they see that in one month (June 1) that it is not going good, they will stop charging.

He also pointed out that those that were concerned, pulled the children out already.
They're charging because they have expenses. Just like the Pesach programs.

If they have to cancel, parents will be pressured to accept a future credit or partial refund. Just like the Pesach programs.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #159 on: May 07, 2020, 06:10:47 PM »
My Point of View:
I will be sending to camp (and paid for some of it), but in my case its different as its a special needs child.
These might have a better shot of getting regulatory approval.
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