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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 176462 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #220 on: May 19, 2020, 10:54:59 PM »
according to this article, cgi montreal is also not opening this year
https://collive.com/cgi-toronto-wont-be-opening-this-summer/

CGI Montreal is governed by Ontario?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #221 on: May 19, 2020, 11:02:28 PM »
CGI Montreal is governed by Ontario?
no
that is toronto

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #222 on: May 19, 2020, 11:07:24 PM »
There is a counter argument that kids have been locked up and home for two months and let them go to camp and have a carefree few weeks. I wopld love if my daughter would be able to go (although since she had symptoms i'm not that concerned from a health standpoint)

I do agree camps should try to be understanding with parents who have been adversely affected financially but keep in mind it is likely the camps are also going to take a big hit
agreed but at the end of day, from my experience, people in all fields are taking hits and hurting but they also are working with their tenants, landlords, banks, lenders, grocery stores, etc... so if its no fault of the parents, camp directors should be understanding and open/honest. just be straight forward without rif raf,,,

im speaking from limited experience but dont say the deposit is non refundable etc but say here is what we are thinking this is our expectations, we will decide by x date if we arent opening, etc.... something like that... camp is a month away
parents need to plan and decide too

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #223 on: May 19, 2020, 11:11:57 PM »
agreed but at the end of day, from my experience, people in all fields are taking hits and hurting but they also are working with their tenants, landlords, banks, lenders, grocery stores, etc... so if its no fault of the parents, camp directors should be understanding and open/honest. just be straight forward without rif raf,,,

im speaking from limited experience but dont say the deposit is non refundable etc but say here is what we are thinking this is our expectations, we will decide by x date if we arent opening, etc.... something like that... camp is a month away
parents need to plan and decide too
None of those you listed are out of the kindness of their hearts. Landlords would much rather give a tenant a discount and he pays now that need to wait until they start allowing evictions again for example.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #224 on: May 19, 2020, 11:16:28 PM »
agreed but at the end of day, from my experience, people in all fields are taking hits and hurting but they also are working with their tenants, landlords, banks, lenders, grocery stores, etc... so if its no fault of the parents, camp directors should be understanding and open/honest. just be straight forward without rif raf,,,

im speaking from limited experience but dont say the deposit is non refundable etc but say here is what we are thinking this is our expectations, we will decide by x date if we arent opening, etc.... something like that... camp is a month away
parents need to plan and decide too
They aren't communicating because they don't have what to communicate. They want to open and are trying to but have no concrete information

I haven't heard anything from my daughters camp (although they haven't cashed the check for the payment from April), it would be nice to hear something but I understand why I haven't

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #225 on: May 19, 2020, 11:18:59 PM »
None of those you listed are out of the kindness of their hearts. Landlords would much rather give a tenant a discount and he pays now that need to wait until they start allowing evictions again for example.
they were examples and there are plenty more... everyone has been impacted to some extent.
the camp wont be able to provide the service which was applied for - that is 100% certain 
so whether out of the kindness of their hearts or not, they should be forthcoming with their thinking etc... not just say were not depositing checks or charging cards until.... and we'll keep you posted....
transparency
thats what i'm saying.. so parents can know what they are dealing with... then, they can discuss refunds of a deposit if they arent comfortable or wont be able to pay in full on short notice

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #226 on: May 19, 2020, 11:26:27 PM »
Camp In Woodbourne Reportedly Receives Permit To Open This Summer

As the Jewish community awaits with anticipation on a decision if Upstate NY summer camps will be permitted to open this coming summer, at least one camp has reportedly received the green light.

Camp Oraysa, located on Todd Road in Woodbourne, NY, sent an email to the parent body of the camp stating that they have been given a permit from the Health Department.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1862549/breaking-camp-in-woodbourne-reportedly-receives-permit-to-open-this-summer.html

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #227 on: May 19, 2020, 11:46:22 PM »
Camp In Woodbourne Reportedly Receives Permit To Open This Summer

As the Jewish community awaits with anticipation on a decision if Upstate NY summer camps will be permitted to open this coming summer, at least one camp has reportedly received the green light.

Camp Oraysa, located on Todd Road in Woodbourne, NY, sent an email to the parent body of the camp stating that they have been given a permit from the Health Department.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1862549/breaking-camp-in-woodbourne-reportedly-receives-permit-to-open-this-summer.html
1) its boys over 18 possible they got some sort of residence permit
2) if the state bans camp the permit is void
3) does anyone know if they actually got permits or just a promise that they will get a permit  usually camps dont get permits till june

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #228 on: May 19, 2020, 11:50:04 PM »
There was a meeting with the Gov. today about this. Anyone have details

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #229 on: May 20, 2020, 08:22:49 AM »
1) its boys over 18 possible they got some sort of residence permit
2) if the state bans camp the permit is void
3) does anyone know if they actually got permits or just a promise that they will get a permit  usually camps dont get permits till june
I just spoke with the camp director and he said that as of now its only for boys over 18.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #230 on: May 21, 2020, 12:12:50 PM »
Breaking: Governor Cuomo announced summer school will not open for this summer

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #231 on: May 21, 2020, 12:14:36 PM »
Breaking: Governor Cuomo announced summer school will not open for this summer
Does that mean no day camp?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #232 on: May 21, 2020, 12:20:10 PM »
Does that mean no day camp?
He didn’t say for sure but he said he wouldn’t send his kids to day camp

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #233 on: May 21, 2020, 12:20:28 PM »
He didn’t say for sure but he said he wouldn’t send his kids to day camp
How old are his kids? :)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #234 on: May 21, 2020, 12:55:45 PM »
Breaking: Governor Cuomo announced summer school will not open for this summer

As for summer day camps, the governor said if the camps can prepare guidelines and the DOH believes they can do camps safely, there is the possibility they could happen.

However, the governor also said that until we have more information on the illness, he would not send his children to day camps.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #235 on: May 21, 2020, 01:47:49 PM »
As for summer day camps, the governor said if the camps can prepare guidelines and the DOH believes they can do camps safely, there is the possibility they could happen.

However, the governor also said that until we have more information on the illness, he would not send his children to day camps.

Which is a nice way of saying no

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #236 on: May 21, 2020, 02:27:05 PM »
How old are his kids? :)
Ages 22-25

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #237 on: May 22, 2020, 12:05:18 PM »
CGI montreal sent an email cancelling camp and issuing refunds
the following is an excerpt of said email which seemed interesting:

Although we are forced to cancel camp, we will refund 100% of your payment. We make this offer knowing that the financial impact on camp is challenging, as we have, and continue to incur huge expenditures anticipating camp’s opening and ongoing expenses.

Attached is your record of payment to date. We take the liberty to request your support to assist us with our current cost and losses. Please consider donating the deposit and perhaps some of your payments towards camp, for a donation receipt (US receipt option as well).


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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #238 on: May 22, 2020, 12:06:49 PM »
CGI montreal sent an email cancelling camp and issuing refunds
the following is an excerpt of said email which seemed interesting:

Although we are forced to cancel camp, we will refund 100% of your payment. We make this offer knowing that the financial impact on camp is challenging, as we have, and continue to incur huge expenditures anticipating camp’s opening and ongoing expenses.

Attached is your record of payment to date. We take the liberty to request your support to assist us with our current cost and losses. Please consider donating the deposit and perhaps some of your payments towards camp, for a donation receipt (US receipt option as well).



Smart. Get the goodwill of full refunds, avoid the costs of disputes, and maybe get some donations from those who can afford it.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #239 on: May 22, 2020, 12:29:12 PM »
Smart. Get the goodwill of full refunds, avoid the costs of disputes, and maybe get some donations from those who can afford it.
They should mention / give option to at minimum deduct credit card processing fees. People pay by credit card for personal gain / benefits (earn points AND avoid instant payment (cash / check / transfer).

Now the company is potentially taking extra losses due to this (if processing 100% refund).