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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 90234 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #360 on: June 11, 2020, 06:56:58 PM »
Seems like Agudah is indeed opening up in NH.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #361 on: June 11, 2020, 07:18:41 PM »
They need the money that all the Jewish people donate to Cuomo year after year and they continue to do even after rent control. But at this point all the politicians know that no matter what they do the money will still pour in, so they arenít really worried about alienating anyone.
Seems to be pure politics at this point.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #362 on: June 11, 2020, 07:21:38 PM »
I'm surprised there aren't protest for camps.
Videos circulating of the kids protesting. In willi.

lets see the huge media coverage...

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #363 on: June 11, 2020, 07:43:02 PM »
Videos circulating of the kids protesting. In willi.

lets see the huge media coverage...
They're protesting for parks, not for camps.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #364 on: June 11, 2020, 07:43:44 PM »
Videos circulating of the kids protesting. In willi.

lets see the huge media coverage...
I love it.
They can do that but not go to parks. It sends a great message of how messed up this is.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #365 on: June 11, 2020, 07:53:09 PM »
They're protesting for parks, not for camps.
That depends which heimishe twitter account you check.

That there are so many not wearing helmets does not help the cause.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #366 on: June 11, 2020, 08:02:49 PM »
Videos circulating of the kids protesting. In willi.

lets see the huge media coverage...
2 dozen kids isn't as media grabbing as 10k+
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #367 on: June 11, 2020, 08:03:25 PM »
That depends which heimishe twitter account you check.

That there are so many not wearing helmets does not help the cause.
Let's be honest, why wouldn't chassidishe camps open? Their schools have been open for close to 2 months despite the EO. 

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #368 on: June 11, 2020, 08:12:46 PM »
Let's be honest, why wouldn't chassidishe camps open? Their schools have been open for close to 2 months despite the EO.
Because the local PD isn't enforcing the EO. With the problems that the Frum camps face every regular summer - you can only imagine how quickly the authorities will be called upstate.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #369 on: June 11, 2020, 08:13:46 PM »
Because the local PD isn't enforcing the EO. With the problems that the Frum camps face every regular summer - you can only imagine how quickly the authorities will be called upstate.
Good point. I stand corrected.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #370 on: June 11, 2020, 09:21:30 PM »
Because the local PD isn't enforcing the EO. With the problems that the Frum camps face every regular summer - you can only imagine how quickly the authorities will be called upstate.
Without a warrant, they'd have a very difficult time finding evidence that it's a sleepaway camp and not day camp.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #371 on: June 11, 2020, 09:29:24 PM »
Without a warrant, they'd have a very difficult time finding evidence that it's a sleepaway camp and not day camp.
How difficult?

Wait outside on day 1 when a bunch of full busses roll in the front gate (donít need a warrant to stop and enter the busses right outside), then donít see the busses leave that night (or leave but are all empty).

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #372 on: June 11, 2020, 09:35:33 PM »
How difficult?

Wait outside on day 1 when a bunch of full busses roll in the front gate (donít need a warrant to stop and enter the busses right outside), then donít see the busses leave that night (or leave but are all empty).
So they need to stake it out and know when to expect buses, as well as keep watch of all the exits all day long to see if cars leave. They also need to track all the cars that go in and out and try to count kids. Most camps also have a day camp on campus, so there will be kids leaving in the evening, again they would need to be counting kids.

Basically, if the FBI wanted to get evidence they can, but regular cops would have a very difficult time finding evidence.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #373 on: June 11, 2020, 09:36:29 PM »
What about all those huge duffel bags?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #374 on: June 11, 2020, 09:38:42 PM »
What about all those huge duffel bags?
They come in on a truck and unload out of view of the road. I'm not saying it's impossible, but they'd have very difficult time staking out hundreds of camps that could potentially be open and they don't know which day they're opening.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #375 on: June 11, 2020, 09:43:04 PM »
They come in on a truck and unload out of view of the road. I'm not saying it's impossible, but they'd have very difficult time staking out hundreds of camps that could potentially be open and they don't know which day they're opening.
I 100% hear what you're saying, but if I was a camp director I still wouldn't want to risk it.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #376 on: June 11, 2020, 09:51:32 PM »
I 100% hear what you're saying, but if I was a camp director I still wouldn't want to risk it.
-1 not sure which camp you went to. But most summers, camps have the local PD show up for loud noise at night, cars parked on the road etc... If the governor clearly states that sleep away camps can't open. You dont need the FBI, you have neighbors that will gladly call and report you. Most of them dont want you there on a regular year.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #377 on: June 11, 2020, 09:55:41 PM »
Without a warrant, they'd have a very difficult time finding evidence that it's a sleepaway camp and not day camp.
-1

Wouldn't there be dozens (or hundreds) of delivery trucks, repairmen, etc over the summer who would all enter camp and see exactly what's going on? And not to mention neighbors and people from the surrounding towns being on high alert- they'll know in a second.

It'll be all over social media in no time, in the press shortly thereafter (news-hungry reporters at the camp entrance eager for a juicy story), and on a desk in whatever police dept enforces this stuff not too long after. And then can't the police just get a warrant?

I think it's highly unlikely (practically impossible) that any camp can stay under the radar for more than a few days with hundreds of kids.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 10:03:36 PM by Yehudaa »

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #378 on: June 11, 2020, 10:33:12 PM »
-1 not sure which camp you went to. But most summers, camps have the local PD show up for loud noise at night, cars parked on the road etc... If the governor clearly states that sleep away camps can't open. You dont need the FBI, you have neighbors that will gladly call and report you. Most of them dont want you there on a regular year.
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Wouldn't there be dozens (or hundreds) of delivery trucks, repairmen, etc over the summer who would all enter camp and see exactly what's going on? And not to mention neighbors and people from the surrounding towns being on high alert- they'll know in a second.

It'll be all over social media in no time, in the press shortly thereafter (news-hungry reporters at the camp entrance eager for a juicy story), and on a desk in whatever police dept enforces this stuff not too long after. And then can't the police just get a warrant?

I think it's highly unlikely (practically impossible) that any camp can stay under the radar for more than a few days with hundreds of kids.
All of this can easily be excused as day camp. I heard camps are planning on having full days including night activities Sunday-Friday.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #379 on: June 11, 2020, 10:37:34 PM »
All of this can easily be excused as day camp. I heard camps are planning on having full days including night activities Sunday-Friday.
Depending on the neighbors, it can be very risky
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