Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?

[yaakov35]

I was referring to the agudah specifically. And you’re way overrating how much money these schools are making

Sure

[Toasted]

So schools, shuls, funerals and weddings are all negotiable to Agudah, but summer camp is the red line? I understand that it's important but it affects a much smaller portion of the population and alternatives are conceivable.

Do they realize that for every person decimated that there isn't camp, there are 5 who are relieved that they need not go another 10k in debt during this financial crisis.

[S209]

So schools, shuls, funerals and weddings are all negotiable to Agudah, but summer camp is the red line? I understand that it's important but it affects a much smaller portion of the population and alternatives are conceivable.

Do they realize that for every person decimated that there isn't camp, there are 5 who are relieved that they need not go another 10k in debt during this financial crisis.

You bring up a fair point but there are an awful lot of people who are desperate for their children to have a nice normal summer with friends in a sleep away environment.

[yesitsme]

So schools, shuls, funerals and weddings are all negotiable to Agudah, but summer camp is the red line? I understand that it's important but it affects a much smaller portion of the population and alternatives are conceivable.

Do they realize that for every person decimated that there isn't camp, there are 5 who are relieved that they need not go another 10k in debt during this financial crisis.

I cant think about those that live in Williamsburg apartments, those that live in the outskirts okay it will pass but in the city, I'm glad i'm not there and I feel bad for them

[JunkYardUnz]

So schools, shuls, funerals and weddings are all negotiable to Agudah, but summer camp is the red line? I understand that it's important but it affects a much smaller portion of the population and alternatives are conceivable.

Do they realize that for every person decimated that there isn't camp, there are 5 who are relieved that they need not go another 10k in debt during this financial crisis.

If the seminaries shut it will be a win win situation. 

[mochjas]

So schools, shuls, funerals and weddings are all negotiable to Agudah, but summer camp is the red line? I understand that it's important but it affects a much smaller portion of the population and alternatives are conceivable.

Do they realize that for every person decimated that there isn't camp, there are 5 who are relieved that they need not go another 10k in debt during this financial crisis.

all those things were early on and it was understandable why they were shut. Those are all up and running now except school because there was no point. Most feel like we have COVID under control in NY and camp’s shouldn’t be a problem so why are they shutting?

If someone can’t afford it they shouldn’t send their kids. They have a great excuse not to send this year if they are worried about peer pressure

[stooges44]

I liked this letter from orah daycamp (in far rockaway)

Dear Parents,
 
This is just a reminder that today is the last day to back out of camp for this summer and still receive a refund.
 
We are looking forward to implementing the amazing program that we have planned (and are in the midst of modifying and expanding due to the late notice of all things camp related…)
 
Although it is very hard to tie up all the loose ends if camp in just a few short weeks, we are making the tremendous effort to do so because your children and our children are in desperate need of a fun and structured summer experience. We (and many other camps in the community,) know that there is a good chance that we will be operating at a financial loss this year and will be happy just to break even. The extraordinary costs of the additional staffing for the smaller bunks, maintenance workers to sanitize the building and specialty staff to keep the campers entertained without our many trips, far outweigh the regular cost of the trips that we are not doing this year.

We are all prepared to go ahead anyway because we feel an achrayus to the children and parents of our community. All we ask of you is to team up with us in creating a positive and upbeat attitude that focuses on all the fun things we can do, with realistic expectations as to what is and isn’t feasible, while realizing that we are all in this together – Creating the best summer experience possible or our children!
 
Looking forward to working together towards a summer that is out of this world!!
 
Leeba Brisk
Elisheva Segelman

[ari3]

If the seminaries shut it will be a win win situation.

win for who?
For the seminaries? definitely not!
For the parents that want to send? also not
For the girls that are looking forward to go? also not
For the parents that don't want to send but send anyway because of peer pressure? So for these sorry people that can't do what they feel is right because of what others do you are happy if everyone else loses out?

[Palm5]

Isn’t Satmar going up tomorrow or was that a rumor?

[Jellybelly]

Isn’t Satmar going up tomorrow or was that a rumor?

I also got that text, would be into watch that play out

[EliJelly]

Isn’t Satmar going up tomorrow or was that a rumor?

Going up where?

[grodnoking]

For the parents that don't want to send but send anyway because of peer pressure? So for these sorry people that can't do what they feel is right because of what others do you are happy if everyone else loses out?

For those parents who are forced to send their daughter to seminary because the world decided that if the girl didn't go, there must be something wrong with her and no one will date her.

[JunkYardUnz]

win for who?
For the seminaries? definitely not!
For the parents that want to send? also not
For the girls that are looking forward to go? also not
For the parents that don't want to send but send anyway because of peer pressure? So for these sorry people that can't do what they feel is right because of what others do you are happy if everyone else loses out?

How many seminary age children have you been through or are you just 23 yourself?

[etech0]

For those parents who are forced to send their daughter to seminary because the world decided that if the girl didn't go, there must be something wrong with her and no one will date her.

Do you know anyone who went to Seminary in the US, or skipped altogether, and still got married? I can make a list.

[S209]

Do you know anyone who went to Seminary in the US, or skipped altogether, and still got married? I can make a list.

My wife attended Sem in the US, as did all of my sisters and sisters-in-law. For some reason my father preferred it . All married

I can make you a list with hundreds.

[stooges44]

https://matzav.com/watch-rav-yisroel-besser-on-reopening-children-camps/

[shie123]

Could be it was discussed already I didn't see.
Just wondering is sleep away camp mostly a Jewish thing?

[lifetimedeals]

Could be it was discussed already I didn't see.
Just wondering is sleep away camp mostly a Jewish thing?

No

[Mikes@Micro]

No

I thought most camps are jewish even if not frum and the rest are religious or boy scouts.

[CountValentine]

I thought most camps are jewish even if not frum and the rest are religious or boy scouts.

"Did you know that U.S. summer camps were recently estimated to be a $15 billion industry nationwide? And that figure doesn’t even take into account just how incredible they’ve become within the Millennial age."