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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
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Only second month
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #520 on: June 17, 2020, 02:44:51 PM »
You missed the context, he didn't claim he's an expert. He questioned whether someone else is.

Nope, @Dan got dismissed because he doesn't live in a place that was hard hit, so he must not be able to read or think rationally. I understood perfectly.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #521 on: June 17, 2020, 02:58:27 PM »
Its called "Herd Immunity" when most of the herd had the disease the chances of others contracting it is very low. Look it up.
Right, exposure to someone with a virus means youíre immune because of herd immunity, I donít even have to look it up. You should change your handle to DrTuvia.
Yup. My source is the pair of eyes and the brains granted to me by my creator.

If you'd rather wait for a manufactured vaccine, talk to me no sooner than Trumps 2nd year of his 2nd term.
And your source has showed you that anybody who was exposed to someone who had a virus and didnít get it that time canít get it from someone else with the virus? Got it. Thanks for your medical source.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #522 on: June 17, 2020, 03:01:45 PM »
Coming from an expert living in a community in which what percentage experienced symptoms?
My bad, I didnít realize people who live in CH are the true experts, Iíve been listening to these idiot doctors all along. Forgot they ďdonít know anythingĒ. Because Cuomo and the media.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #523 on: June 17, 2020, 03:35:21 PM »
My bad, I didnít realize people who live in CH are the true experts, Iíve been listening to these idiot doctors all along. Forgot they ďdonít know anythingĒ. Because Cuomo and the media.
Ain domeh shmiah lere'iyah, and I saw that the oilam cancelled Covid. Null and void. And if you haven't had it yet, you're covered by (I) herd (there's) immunity, which is kinda like botul b'shishim, but for rational thoughts and facts.
Exposure is meaningless.
The only thing that matters is exposure to someone contagious, and the vast majority of people with COVID-19 are not contagious.
some people are shouting scientific arguments till they are blue in the face and some people are looking at the facts on the ground that many of our communities have opened weeks ago and there has not been a spike in cases b"h and are moving on with their life

hence
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a very rational thought and fact indeed

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #524 on: June 17, 2020, 03:41:02 PM »
some people are shouting scientific arguments till they are blue in the face and some people are looking at the facts on the ground that many of our communities have opened weeks ago and there has not been a spike in cases b"h and are moving on with their life

hencea very rational thought and fact indeed
Huh? It seems youíre doing something thatís fairly common around these parts these days and answering a question that wasnít asked while leaving unanswered a question that was
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #525 on: June 17, 2020, 03:45:26 PM »
some people are shouting scientific arguments till they are blue in the face and some people are looking at the facts on the ground that many of our communities have opened weeks ago and there has not been a spike in cases b"h and are moving on with their life

hencea very rational thought and fact indeed

For everyone watching this play out on the sidelines, this sums it up perfectly. Science is being ignored because people aren't seeing it work the way they think it should immediately before their eyes.

I really thought frum Jews were smarter than this.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #526 on: June 17, 2020, 03:47:51 PM »
some people are shouting scientific arguments till they are blue in the face and some people are looking at the facts on the ground that many of our communities have opened weeks ago and there has not been a spike in cases b"h and are moving on with their life

hencea very rational thought and fact indeed
Letís do it your way. There are many countries around the world that have opened up far earlier and to a greater extent than NY has without having seen a significant spike in cases since bĒh. Does that translate into everyone who was exposed is immune because you have eyes?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #527 on: June 17, 2020, 03:52:37 PM »
The vulnerable people who were smart enough to self isolate early on & therfore didn't get it yet are still self isolating.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #528 on: June 17, 2020, 03:54:23 PM »
The vulnerable people who were smart enough to self isolate early on & therfore didn't get it yet are still self isolating.
Yes but they are indeed lowering their guard more now. I know of quite a few who are close to attending indoor Shul and are allowing people in their households to mingle with others. People who locked up early and did not get the virus.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #529 on: June 17, 2020, 04:00:26 PM »
The vulnerable people who were smart enough to self isolate early on & therfore didn't get it yet are still self isolating.

IMO, this is the absolute biggest misconception with Covid. When you say vulnerable, you mean those with the highest risk of death. While death is the worst case scenario, we have no clue how this will impact those who survive, both short-term and long-term. To deem anyone as "safe" to get Covid is a huge fallacy which leads to the cavalier attitudes we're seeing in our communities and beyond.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #530 on: June 17, 2020, 04:01:24 PM »

I really thought frum Jews were smarter than this.
That is a rather condescending comment

Why do you think that anyone who differs from your worldview lacks in his smartness? Maybe if tens of thousands of people are acting a certain way and you disagree maybe you are not smarter than all of them?


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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #531 on: June 17, 2020, 04:04:20 PM »
That is a rather condescending comment

Why do you think that anyone who differs from your worldview lacks in his smartness? Maybe if tens of thousands of people are acting a certain way and you disagree maybe you are not smarter than all of them?

Really? This is the Jewish way of thinking? The masses are doing it a certain way so they must be right?

You yourself said what you are perceiving as reality isn't matching the science, so we should ignore the science. If that's considered a "worldview" and disagreeing with anyone who thinks that way is condescending, I'll gladly wear that hat.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #532 on: June 17, 2020, 04:24:12 PM »
Really? This is the Jewish way of thinking? The masses are doing it a certain way so they must be right?

You yourself said what you are perceiving as reality isn't matching the science, so we should ignore the science. If that's considered a "worldview" and disagreeing with anyone who thinks that way is condescending, I'll gladly wear that hat.
referring to hundreds of thousands of frum Jews as "I thought they were smarter than that" is condescending.

thankfully you are not the arbiter of Jewish thinking so please represent your opinions as your way of thinking and don't make representations as to what the Jewish way of thinking is

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #533 on: June 17, 2020, 04:26:46 PM »
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #534 on: June 17, 2020, 04:29:00 PM »
referring to hundreds of thousands of frum Jews as "I thought they were smarter than that" is condescending.

thankfully you are not the arbiter of Jewish thinking so please represent your opinions as your way of thinking and don't make representations as to what the Jewish way of thinking is

I think the Rambam is a pretty good arbiter of Jewish thinking. Which side of this do you think he'd be on? Science, or believe what you think you see?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #535 on: June 17, 2020, 04:30:48 PM »
IMO, this is the absolute biggest misconception with Covid. When you say vulnerable, you mean those with the highest risk of death. While death is the worst case scenario, we have no clue how this will impact those who survive, both short-term and long-term. To deem anyone as "safe" to get Covid is a huge fallacy which leads to the cavalier attitudes we're seeing in our communities and beyond.
This is fear of the unknown. There are many unknowns in life, we can't put the world on hold every time there is an unknown possible danger. Anyone who is really worried about it to the point of putting the world on hold for a year or two is probably best off moving to a deserted cave far from civilization.
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« Reply #536 on: June 17, 2020, 04:37:40 PM »
This is fear of the unknown. There are many unknowns in life, we can't put the world on hold every time there is an unknown possible danger. Anyone who is really worried about it to the point of putting the world on hold for a year or two is probably best off moving to a deserted cave far from civilization.

Once again, this has been reduced to binary options. There are a plethora of options between hiding in a cave and business as usual.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #537 on: June 17, 2020, 04:40:55 PM »
Once again, this has been reduced to binary options. There are a plethora of options between hiding in a cave and business as usual.
Or you can argue that theoretical residual effects are not something to worry about.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #538 on: June 17, 2020, 04:45:28 PM »
This is fear of the unknown. There are many unknowns in life, we can't put the world on hold every time there is an unknown possible danger. Anyone who is really worried about it to the point of putting the world on hold for a year or two is probably best off moving to a deserted cave far from civilization.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #539 on: June 17, 2020, 05:06:39 PM »
IMO, this is the absolute biggest misconception with Covid. When you say vulnerable, you mean those with the highest risk of death. While death is the worst case scenario, we have no clue how this will impact those who survive, both short-term and long-term. To deem anyone as "safe" to get Covid is a huge fallacy which leads to the cavalier attitudes we're seeing in our communities and beyond.
I don't dispute that and take particular care in avoiding the virus even though I am the diametric opposite of vulnerable. My point merely was we aren't seeing spike in NY/NJ & EU hospitalizations because those who are likely to end up in the hospital either already did or are still being careful.

Those advocating for business as usual are all governed by an impulsive reckless decision making process which doesn't take facts into the equation at all, and simply cede to their primal temptations. Unfortunately they outnumber us, so one of them is sitting in the Oval Office. What's remarkable is that they utterly forgot how wrong they were in February.
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