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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
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Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #580 on: June 18, 2020, 09:11:09 PM »
Did New York State ever issue a permit for a protest? Cuomo isn't NYS, so his statements are irrelevant.
selective enforcement is picking and choosing.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #581 on: June 18, 2020, 09:13:37 PM »
selective enforcement is picking and choosing.
the question is if that carries weight in court

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #582 on: June 18, 2020, 09:14:36 PM »
selective enforcement is picking and choosing.
Everything is selective. Saying liquor stores are essential and places of worship are not is being selective.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #583 on: June 18, 2020, 09:29:09 PM »
Everything is selective. Saying liquor stores are essential and places of worship are not is being selective.
Gatherings and shopping are different, and I assume the court may say the same about camps. However the encouragement of protests definitely blows a massive hole in the governments arguement.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #584 on: June 18, 2020, 09:32:52 PM »
Gatherings and shopping are different, and I assume the court may say the same about camps. However the encouragement of protests definitely blows a massive hole in the governments arguement.
Are day camps allowed? Is it just sleep over camps that are shutdown?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #585 on: June 18, 2020, 09:36:09 PM »
Are day camps allowed? Is it just sleep over camps that are shutdown?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #586 on: June 18, 2020, 11:49:25 PM »
Until now the restrictions were across the board, as soon as they started picking and choosing there a much bigger chance at winning in court. Additionally I can see the court changing course as time passes because there is a lot more that is known about the virus, they may require the government to justify it's actions. I'm not going to start speculating what the chances are, but it's definitely more than any previous case which had at best little, probably no chance.

I don't believe this is correct. The California lawsuit that reached the Supreme Court alleged discrimination against religious institutions because the restrictions were NOT across the board, and the amount of people allowed in synagogues and churches was less than allowed in a Walmart. Yet SCOTUS upheld the government picking winners and losers on the basis of purported concerns of public health.

If they're doing this to show that they're not going down without a fight, I could hear that. But getting people's hopes up and making them think that they have any chance of prevailing (and in time to switch all camps back to sleepaway) is a fantasy.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #587 on: June 19, 2020, 12:32:10 AM »
My understanding of the strategy was to get a judge to give an injunction to allow them to open until this is settled. If they do, this drags past the summer.

 May not be about winning.

Cuomo said to “get creative” , so they are with all of these loopholes and diversions.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #589 on: June 19, 2020, 02:06:41 AM »
Heard this hilarious rumor:

A Satmar camp will be allowed to open in NY State because it is not registered as a camp rather as an... Orphanage!

(Apparently only one orphan is required for it to be legally considered an orphanage. Sadly almost every community is able to fit that criteria)

If anyone can verify this please do.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #590 on: June 19, 2020, 08:17:11 AM »
I don't believe this is correct. The California lawsuit that reached the Supreme Court alleged discrimination against religious institutions because the restrictions were NOT across the board, and the amount of people allowed in synagogues and churches was less than allowed in a Walmart. Yet SCOTUS upheld the government picking winners and losers on the basis of purported concerns of public health.

If they're doing this to show that they're not going down without a fight, I could hear that. But getting people's hopes up and making them think that they have any chance of prevailing (and in time to switch all camps back to sleepaway) is a fantasy.
The court kept the distinction between gatherings and shopping, at that time religious gatherings had the same restrictions as all other gatherings.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #591 on: June 19, 2020, 09:58:20 AM »
Heard this hilarious rumor:

A Satmar camp will be allowed to open in NY State because it is not registered as a camp rather as an... Orphanage!

(Apparently only one orphan is required for it to be legally considered an orphanage. Sadly almost every community is able to fit that criteria)

If anyone can verify this please do.

Was a good joke..


From what I'm hearing, seems like a lot of camps that can survive financially without government programs are opening, and are readying to deal with the consequences.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #592 on: June 19, 2020, 10:12:46 AM »
Was a good joke..


From what I'm hearing, seems like a lot of camps that can survive financially without government programs are opening, and are readying to deal with the consequences.

This has nothing to do with government funding. If the NYS Dept of Health will not allow them to open they will get shut down.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #593 on: June 19, 2020, 10:35:08 AM »
My understanding of the strategy was to get a judge to give an injunction to allow them to open until this is settled. If they do, this drags past the summer.

 May not be about winning.

Cuomo said to “get creative” , so they are with all of these loopholes and diversions.

Yes, lawsuit was filed yesterday and request for TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) will follow early next week which they hope will be granted and allow them to open camps legally while the lawsuit plays itself out in a long drawn out process.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #594 on: June 19, 2020, 10:39:10 AM »
Heard this hilarious rumor:

A Satmar camp will be allowed to open in NY State because it is not registered as a camp rather as an... Orphanage!

(Apparently only one orphan is required for it to be legally considered an orphanage. Sadly almost every community is able to fit that criteria)

If anyone can verify this please do.
I know of a girls camp that intends to do this
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #595 on: June 19, 2020, 11:02:58 AM »
Yes, lawsuit was filed yesterday and request for TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) will follow early next week which they hope will be granted and allow them to open camps legally while the lawsuit plays itself out in a long drawn out process.
is a fantasy.
It's a joke. It's just meant to justify raising funds for the organization and appease the public that they're doing something. Nobody really thinks this stands a chance, which is why no respectable attorney attached their name to it,







selective enforcement is picking and choosing.
Maybe yes maybe no, but the question at hand is whether or not the NYS DOH is required to issue permits for camps, and being that the NYS DOH did not issue permits for protests the whole claim is preposterous. It's also silly because while some ignorant masses may fall for it, their donors aren't as stupid and will not be happy with this waste of resources.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #596 on: June 19, 2020, 11:09:25 AM »





Maybe yes maybe no, but the question at hand is whether or not the NYS DOH is required to issue permits for camps, and being that the NYS DOH did not issue permits for protests the whole claim is preposterous. It's also silly because while some ignorant masses may fall for it, their donors aren't as stupid and will not be happy with this waste of resources.
Camps are paying for it.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #597 on: June 19, 2020, 11:10:36 AM »
Camps are paying for it.
And reimbursing salaries of Agudah staff who spent time on it?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #598 on: June 19, 2020, 11:15:51 AM »
And reimbursing salaries of Agudah staff who spent time on it?
Why shouldn’t the agudah be spending time working on this?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #599 on: June 19, 2020, 11:16:35 AM »
And reimbursing salaries of Agudah staff who spent time on it?

How do you know the Agudah is involved?