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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #700 on: June 22, 2020, 02:49:00 PM »
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Covid-19

BH, this past Friday, June 19th, the county where XXXX XXXXXXX is located entered its final phase of reopening. The program and grounds are being prepared, and we are getting ready to provide your son with a summer filled with learning and fun activities, in a chassidishe atmosphere.

We are currently in the final stages of preparing our Covid-19 policy in accordance with CDC guidance for summer camps and the local health officials. We are implementing rigorous janitorial procedures to ensure the safety and wellbeing of talmidim and staff. 

All talmidim and staff will be required to be tested (with negative results) or have antibodies for Covid-19 several days before coming to camp.

More information will be forthcoming.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #701 on: June 22, 2020, 02:53:28 PM »
I think you meant you wouldn't be shocked. I would be. Camps are too invested there, and the convenience factor is too high to uproot an existing camp. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see new camps start up out of state if the Poconos works out this summer.
I meant I'd be shocked if it doesn't. An established camp would never pick themselves up and move out of the area, but once they're forced to I would think some of them will decide for a variety of reasons to stay where they went and not come back.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #702 on: June 22, 2020, 02:56:10 PM »
I meant I'd be shocked if it doesn't. An established camp would never pick themselves up and move out of the area, but once they're forced to I would think some of them will decide for a variety of reasons to stay where they went and not come back.

If that option presents itself, I can see where a conversation would be had by camp admin. I just don't know of too many camps who will have that option, as they are using grounds that are only temporarily vacant because of Covid.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #703 on: June 22, 2020, 04:43:18 PM »
That's a local decision. Upstate clearly doesn't want these camps so I don't see why they wouldn't enforce the closure.
They don't know what they want. They want the money but not the people, they'll all end up letting day camps. And once they have permission with that camps will do whatever they want

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #704 on: June 22, 2020, 04:57:31 PM »
If that option presents itself, I can see where a conversation would be had by camp admin. I just don't know of too many camps who will have that option, as they are using grounds that are only temporarily vacant because of Covid.
I think some camps are covering PA rental costs by renting their NY campus to yeshivos but not sure if its true
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #705 on: June 22, 2020, 05:04:34 PM »
Push off to Monday, how convenient....

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #706 on: June 22, 2020, 05:48:00 PM »
Push off to Monday, how convenient....
And now the camps don't want to let them push it off.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #707 on: June 22, 2020, 05:50:03 PM »
And now the camps don't want to let them push it off.

You have it backwards - the letter from the Association of camps asking for the June 25 date for the hearing was filed before the AG filed their letter asking for June 29th.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #708 on: June 22, 2020, 05:54:49 PM »
You have it backwards - the letter from the Association of camps asking for the June 25 date for the hearing was filed before the AG filed their letter asking for June 29th.
Not going to argue. But read through the response to the judge. They're talking about how cuomo stalled and why they need a hearing asap and not to delay it

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #709 on: June 22, 2020, 06:00:54 PM »
Not going to argue. But read through the response to the judge. They're talking about how cuomo stalled and why they need a hearing asap and not to delay it

When you read docket entries the lower number was filed first. In this case the docket entry for the camp's letter (which I posted here https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115525.msg2280183#msg2280183) is entry 8 and the AG's responsive letter is entry 9.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #710 on: June 22, 2020, 06:08:19 PM »
When you read docket entries the lower number was filed first. In this case the docket entry for the camp's letter (which I posted here https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115525.msg2280183#msg2280183) is entry 8 and the AG's responsive letter is entry 9.
Your right. Which is why I didn't even argue

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #711 on: June 22, 2020, 07:47:41 PM »
You have it backwards - the letter from the Association of camps asking for the June 25 date for the hearing was filed before the AG filed their letter asking for June 29th.

So when is the hearing ultimately scheduled for, 25th or 29th?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #712 on: June 22, 2020, 08:25:29 PM »
Plenty of the chasidish will charge your CC regardless. Its only a problem for parents anyway.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #713 on: June 22, 2020, 08:42:42 PM »
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #714 on: June 22, 2020, 09:40:57 PM »
So when is the hearing ultimately scheduled for, 25th or 29th?
Could be neither date, its up to the Judge as to when he wants to hold it.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #715 on: June 22, 2020, 11:19:27 PM »


For them to close the camp they would have to observe the kids sleeping there at night, No?
All-day its day camp

Would they need a search want to go onto cap grounds and into bunkhouses?

Does a health inspector need a warrant to inspect the grounds?

What happens when an inspector walks into bunkhouses and sees clothes and dirty laundry and bunk beds with pillows and blankets? Try explain that you are just having a day camp with all that
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #716 on: June 22, 2020, 11:46:12 PM »

Does a health inspector need a warrant to inspect the grounds?

What happens when an inspector walks into bunkhouses and sees clothes and dirty laundry and bunk beds with pillows and blankets? Try explain that you are just having a day camp with all that
Staff are allowed to stay there...

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #717 on: June 22, 2020, 11:53:06 PM »
Staff are allowed to stay there...
Every bunkhouse is full of staff?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #718 on: June 22, 2020, 11:56:52 PM »
Every bunkhouse is full of staff?
Staff for the day camp...

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #719 on: June 23, 2020, 12:00:41 AM »
I get that.

But all it takes is one nosy health inspector to count how many beds are used and how many staff members there are to realize that the kids have to be sleeping there.

IINM most camps have much more campers than staff so if it was just the staff sleeping there, there should be lots of empty beds/bunkhouses
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