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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 173902 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #720 on: June 23, 2020, 01:13:36 AM »
I get that.

But all it takes is one nosy health inspector to count how many beds are used and how many staff members there are to realize that the kids have to be sleeping there.

IINM most camps have much more campers than staff so if it was just the staff sleeping there, there should be lots of empty beds/bunkhouses
Say something along the lines of extra staff to allow for smaller isolated bunks....
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #721 on: June 23, 2020, 06:17:26 AM »
This says it the best. Enough with these overly worried and overly emphasizing the greatness  and infallibility of the “scientists”. The most they are doing at this point is educated guesses.
There is a bashefer of the velt!!!

and what you do is an uneducated guess with a side of negius, and you have the azus to blame it on emuna!

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #722 on: June 23, 2020, 06:24:56 AM »
And reimbursing salaries of Agudah staff who spent time on it?

Why shouldn’t the agudah be spending time working on this?

How do you know the Agudah is involved?

Camp AGUDA???

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #723 on: June 23, 2020, 06:34:44 AM »
Staff for the day camp...

and the kid size clothing????
I don't see your large staff of dwarfs....

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #724 on: June 23, 2020, 07:22:14 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bars-strip-clubs-and-churches-us-virus-outbreaks-enter-unwieldy-phase/ar-BB15QD7Y?li=BBnb7Kz

At a Christian summer camp near Colorado Springs, at least 11 employees fell ill just before the season’s opening, leading the camp to cancel overnight stays for the first time in 63 years.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #725 on: June 23, 2020, 07:42:45 AM »
Camp AGUDA???
Look at the lawsuit. Same lawyer who sued dept of education
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #726 on: June 23, 2020, 01:48:18 PM »
As an overnight or day camp?
the camp which I manage is opening their just not sure yet which shtick their gonna pull

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #727 on: June 23, 2020, 02:06:04 PM »
the camp which I manage is opening their just not sure yet which shtick their gonna pull

Why would you possibly admit this in a public forum?

Iyh all your campers will be well, but you are basically admitting that the camp you manage is going to break the law (and halacha of dina d'machusa dina).

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #728 on: June 23, 2020, 02:21:45 PM »
the camp which I manage is opening their just not sure yet which shtick their gonna pull
I know of few main stream camps that also plan on opening.... no major chiddush

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #729 on: June 23, 2020, 02:54:58 PM »
Why would you possibly admit this in a public forum?

Iyh all your campers will be well, but you are basically admitting that the camp you manage is going to break the law (and halacha of dina d'machusa dina).
What's the problem? He's not publicizing which camp.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #730 on: June 23, 2020, 02:57:15 PM »
I know of few main stream camps that also plan on opening.... no major chiddush

Camps are opening. They just don't care.
If the Governor tries to shut them down, there will be a scene. The pictures won't look pretty for Cuomo. Hundreds of frum kids being lined up and shipped out. Imagine that happening over and over again as each camp is closed.

There's going to be fireworks, especially with the more chasidish camps.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #731 on: June 23, 2020, 03:15:50 PM »
Camps are opening. They just don't care.
If the Governor tries to shut them down, there will be a scene. The pictures won't look pretty for Cuomo. Hundreds of frum kids being lined up and shipped out. Imagine that happening over and over again as each camp is closed.

There's going to be fireworks, especially with the more chasidish camps.

OT question: as Jews, when in the history of the world has this ever worked out for us?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #732 on: June 23, 2020, 03:21:20 PM »
Camps are opening. They just don't care.
If the Governor tries to shut them down, there will be a scene. The pictures won't look pretty for the Jews. Hundreds of frum kids being lined up and shipped out. Imagine that happening over and over again as each camp is closed.

There's going to be fireworks, especially with the more chasidish camps.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #733 on: June 23, 2020, 03:22:20 PM »
Why would you possibly admit this in a public forum?

Iyh all your campers will be well, but you are basically admitting that the camp you manage is going to break the law (and halacha of dina d'machusa dina).
Not sure it’s so simple that there’s an issue of Dina dimalchusa dina here

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #734 on: June 23, 2020, 03:27:56 PM »
Camps are opening. They just don't care.
If the Governor tries to shut them down, there will be a scene. The pictures won't look pretty for Cuomo. Hundreds of frum kids being lined up and shipped out. Imagine that happening over and over again as each camp is closed.

There's going to be fireworks, especially with the more chasidish camps.

I sincerely hope you are wrong, even though two of my kids are stuck at home this summer because of this.

Think about the Chillul Hashem aspect of frum camps being closed for violating the DOH order. This is much worse than attending a funeral without social distancing or masks - its a premediated violation of the law and halacha.

Also as a parent I can't comprehend the use of children as pawns in this. Think about how children are going to be disappointed when the camp they are in gets shut down and they get sent back home. And if Chas V'Shalom they get rousted by local law enforcement? Why would you want to expose a kid to that?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #735 on: June 23, 2020, 03:29:48 PM »
What's the problem? He's not publicizing which camp.
He  isn't anon. Shouldnt be hard to figure out (especially if you have access to govt databases)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #736 on: June 23, 2020, 03:32:36 PM »

Iyh all your campers will be well, but you are basically admitting that the camp you manage is going to break the law (and halacha of dina d'machusa dina).

Wow! After everything that has happened in this country these last few weeks there are still people that are concerned about the law. This country has descended into anarchy and dictatorship.

I used to be a law abiding citizen too

 

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #737 on: June 23, 2020, 03:32:42 PM »
Not sure it’s so simple that there’s an issue of Dina dimalchusa dina here

What would be the reason that its not?

I'm no posek, but what would be the heter to violate the lawful Order of the state Department of Health?

*The ban on sleepaway camps does not require anyone to violate halacha
*There is no pikuach nefesh which can be accomplished by violating the ban on sleepaway camps
*The ban has nothing to do with Judaism and does not target Jews

So why would you think that by violating this law a person is not oveir on dina d'malchusa dina?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #738 on: June 23, 2020, 03:44:10 PM »
Wow! After everything that has happened in this country these last few weeks there are still people that are concerned about the law. This country has descended into anarchy and dictatorship.

I used to be a law abiding citizen too

Cue "But Officer...!" As a frum Jew, how do you justify following in the ways of the riffraff on this? Lo seileichu doesn't apply anymore?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #739 on: June 23, 2020, 03:46:41 PM »
Cue "But Officer...!" As a frum Jew, how do you justify following in the ways of the riffraff on this? Lo seileichu doesn't apply anymore?

Maybe cuz it’s just politics now