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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #740 on: June 23, 2020, 03:50:11 PM »
Maybe cuz it’s just politics now

Anarchy is politics? And I missed the caveat on Lo Seileichu where we can ignore laws because they are ignoring laws cuz "it's just politics." If anything, we have a greater obligation to follow the law. If you don't like the politics, get involved and work to get it changed. Frum Jews in NY have never shied away from getting involved in the political world to the benefit of their communities. But to disregard laws outright and in the open?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #741 on: June 23, 2020, 04:00:13 PM »
I hope camps and parents are consulting Daas Torah before brazenly fighting the State of New York.

If Cuomo sits down, we will win a better summer for the kids, but if he fights back, the scene will be catastrophic for years to come. 
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #742 on: June 23, 2020, 04:15:31 PM »
Can we assume that the camps which are opening have some understanding on what will be enforced. Much more rational to me than just relying on this:
Camps are opening. They just don't care.
If the Governor tries to shut them down, there will be a scene. The pictures won't look pretty for Cuomo. Hundreds of frum kids being lined up and shipped out. Imagine that happening over and over again as each camp is closed.

There's going to be fireworks, especially with the more chasidish camps.
I'm sure a lot is going on behind the scene.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #743 on: June 23, 2020, 04:22:24 PM »
Can we assume that the camps which are opening have some understanding on what will be enforced. Much more rational to me than just relying on this:

Why would you assume they know how it will be enforced when the enforcers themselves don't know?

I'm sure a lot is going on behind the scene.

This was said in the lead-up to Cuomo's ban, too, with shockingly unpredictable results...
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #744 on: June 23, 2020, 04:27:08 PM »
This was said in the lead-up to Cuomo's ban, too, with shockingly unpredictable results...
Was cute seeing all the articles and comments saying I was wrong :)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #745 on: June 23, 2020, 04:30:01 PM »
This was said in the lead-up to Cuomo's ban, too, with shockingly unpredictable results...
Not true, those in the know never said so.
Why would you assume they know how it will be enforced when the enforcers themselves don't know?
Seems like you don't know how Gov. Coumo operates, you should have seen his reaction when asked on KJ open schools.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #746 on: June 23, 2020, 08:52:31 PM »
I hope camps and parents are consulting Daas Torah before brazenly fighting the State of New York.

If Cuomo sits down, we will win a better summer for the kids, but if he fights back, the scene will be catastrophic for years to come.
Many of these camps (especially the chasidish ones) belong to a kehilla and are presumably following their daas torah.

Most all the camp owners have a lot of skin in the game and are well aware of the consequences to their camps if "the scene will be catastrophic for years to come" so one would assume they are calculating the risks and feel that the situation you describe is unlikely

While Cuomo sets the laws, enforcement is on the local level so if you have things worked out with local law enforcement usually you should be ok. (there has been a lot going on  in many communities that is against the gov's orders coordinated with local law enforcement)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #747 on: June 23, 2020, 09:29:34 PM »
Many of these camps (especially the chasidish ones) belong to a kehilla and are presumably following their daas torah.

Most all the camp owners have a lot of skin in the game and are well aware of the consequences to their camps if "the scene will be catastrophic for years to come" so one would assume they are calculating the risks and feel that the situation you describe is unlikely

While Cuomo sets the laws enforcement is on the local level so if you have things worked out with local law enforcement usually you should be ok. (there has been a lot going on  in many communities that is against the gov's orders coordinated with local law enforcement)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #748 on: June 23, 2020, 10:06:48 PM »
Glad to see many are ok to see the law blatantly broke.  ::)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #749 on: June 23, 2020, 10:13:39 PM »
Glad to see many are ok to see the law blatantly broke.  ::)
are you referring to ripping down the statues?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #750 on: June 23, 2020, 10:15:28 PM »
are you referring to ripping down the statues?
Hypocrisy at its finest!
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #751 on: June 23, 2020, 10:29:16 PM »
The overall hashkafa of the camps that are opening is:
We will not allow Yidishe Neshamos to wander the streets during the summer. We are opening come what may.

I believe that many camp directors (and I assume the Daas Torah guiding them) feel that there is an element of yaharog v'al yaavor when it comes to keeping kids in camp and off the streets. They'll do whatever it takes to keep the kids in a kosher environment, even if the entire country turns against us.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #752 on: June 23, 2020, 10:33:38 PM »
They'll do whatever it takes to keep the kids in a kosher environment, even if the entire country turns against us.
When someone blatantly violates the law everyone should turn against them no matter who they are!
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #753 on: June 23, 2020, 10:37:29 PM »
Glad to see many are ok to see the law blatantly broke.  ::)
Na, we're just establishing our own CHAZ. You should embrace it.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #754 on: June 23, 2020, 10:41:30 PM »
Na, we're just establishing our on CHAZ/CHAP. You should embrace it.
Then embrace it and stop being a hypocrite!!!
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #755 on: June 23, 2020, 10:43:54 PM »
Saw this today

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #756 on: June 23, 2020, 10:45:27 PM »
Then embrace it and stop being a hypocrite!!!
Only embracing well run CHAZ establishments.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #757 on: June 23, 2020, 10:46:44 PM »
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #758 on: June 23, 2020, 10:49:08 PM »
As I said before, the more chasidish camps are going full force come what may. They look at this as yeharag v'al yaavor to keep the kids off the streets.
If Cuomo sends in the state police, there will be fireworks.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #759 on: June 23, 2020, 10:51:34 PM »

Pompous arrogant preacher at his finest.