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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
13 (22.4%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

Author Topic: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?  (Read 173892 times)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #800 on: June 24, 2020, 02:47:53 PM »
I'm stunned that you actually thought that I personally share these beliefs.

I believe that the directors (and the daas torah guiding them) believe that.
I believe that they believe that keeping teens on the streets all summer is tantamount to gilui arayos, which is one of the gimel avairos chamuros.
I believe that they believe that the legal or PR risks of opening are nothing compared to the risks of not opening.
I don't think this is ג' חמורות nor do I think the camps do. I do think they believe not having camp is a serious issue which can lead to serious problems for some. That is what is guiding them to skirt the law and do what they can to have camp.

I don't think most are blatantly disregarding the EO just trying to work around it thru various loopholes.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #801 on: June 24, 2020, 02:55:47 PM »
Cutting locks - ok
Having summer camps - ok
Mass gatherings for weddings - ok
Mass gatherings for funerals - ok
Kids protesting without SD or masks - ok
The list goes on and on.

Peaceful protest is not ok but gassing, rubber bullets and other things used against peaceful protesters is ok

The hypocrisy has never been any clearer.  ::)
Did you see anyone here advocating gassing and using rubber bullets against peaceful protesters? I haven't.

You keep spouting the same argument about hypocrisy based on wrong perceptions about what people here believe.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #802 on: June 24, 2020, 03:40:10 PM »
Did you see anyone here advocating gassing and using rubber bullets against peaceful protesters? I haven't.
There are many here that supported gassing the peaceful DC protesters for a stupid photo op. Get your facts straight before you accuse me of something.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #803 on: June 24, 2020, 03:45:30 PM »
Did you see anyone here advocating gassing and using rubber bullets against peaceful protesters? I haven't.
You should try to keep up with the threads. @CountValentine and maybe one or two others were the only ones voicing concern about said event.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #804 on: June 24, 2020, 04:18:17 PM »
There are many here that supported gassing the mostly peaceful DC protesters for a stupid photo op. Get your facts straight before you accuse me of something.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #805 on: June 24, 2020, 05:53:02 PM »
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #806 on: June 24, 2020, 05:54:17 PM »
Litvaks
Looks like the prudent thing we do. This is golus.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #807 on: June 24, 2020, 06:06:40 PM »
Looks like the prudent thing we do. This is golus.
We know why Otisville davens nusach sefard.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #808 on: June 24, 2020, 06:11:45 PM »
Looks like the prudent thing we do. This is golus.
How convenient. But when some sites advertise doing disputes with companies who don't want to give full refunds then we aren't?? I see how this golus thing is very convenient for people. Take everything sitting down until it involves you. So now it involves them so they're doing what they have to.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #809 on: June 24, 2020, 06:16:59 PM »
How convenient. But when some sites advertise doing disputes with companies who don't want to give full refunds then we aren't?? I see how this golus thing is very convenient for people. Take everything sitting down until it involves you. So now it involves them so they're doing what they have to.
I must have missed where filing a dispute for being charged for a cancelled service was against the law. Silly me!
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #810 on: June 24, 2020, 06:18:25 PM »
I must have missed where filing a dispute for being charged for a cancelled service was against the law. Silly me!
There are loopholes for the camps. You can open as a religious institution, temporary residency, and others. Most of them to plan on blatantly violating the exec order.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #811 on: June 24, 2020, 06:39:59 PM »
There are loopholes for the camps. You can open as a religious institution, temporary residency, and others. Most of them to plan on blatantly violating the exec order.

Yea... lying isn't a loophole. It's lying. And when you teach your kids that it's ok when it suits your purposes, what has camp really accomplished?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #812 on: June 24, 2020, 06:56:53 PM »
Yea... lying isn't a loophole. It's lying. And when you teach your kids that it's ok when it suits your purposes, what has camp really accomplished?
Let's say they take the Orphanage root and the law will allow them to open if they have 1 orphan is that sending a bad message to kids?


Is having a good accountant and avoid paying more taxes is that a bad message?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #813 on: June 24, 2020, 07:00:38 PM »
Let's say they take the Orphanage root and the law will allow them to open if they have 1 orphan is that sending a bad message to kids?


Is having a good accountant and avoid paying more taxes is that a bad message?

Wow. Yes, calling yourself an orphanage in order to open a camp sends a horrible message to kids. And if your accountant needs to lie on your tax return in order to save you money, he's not really a good accountant. He's engaging in fraud, as are you.

What the hell happened to us?
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #814 on: June 24, 2020, 07:03:07 PM »
Let's say they take the Orphanage root and the law will allow them to open if they have 1 orphan is that sending a bad message to kids?
I hope you are not being serious.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #815 on: June 24, 2020, 07:27:00 PM »
What the hell happened to us?
All hands on deck fighting the great threat to Judaism; kids who can’t sleep at camp.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #816 on: June 24, 2020, 07:40:09 PM »
We know why Otisville davens nusach sefard.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #817 on: June 24, 2020, 07:53:39 PM »
All hands on deck fighting the great threat to Judaism; kids who can’t sleep at camp.
If it’s up to the kids, they don’t want to sleep at camp anyways ;)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #818 on: June 24, 2020, 08:47:14 PM »
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #819 on: June 24, 2020, 09:40:52 PM »
Word on the street is that satmar was told that if they open the directors will be arrested for child endangerment.