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Will there be sleep away summer camp this year?

Yes
12 (20.7%)
NO
33 (56.9%)
Only second month
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Voting closed: April 17, 2020, 03:42:36 PM

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1080 on: July 06, 2020, 06:41:36 PM »
Hate to say it but it was clear to anyone who looked at this objectively from the beginning that it was always a real uphill battle, if a battle at all
The downtrend of cases/deaths in NY and all the askanus involved, lot of camps really thought they would get the go ahead. In any case the camps that don't have political ties opened last week.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1081 on: July 06, 2020, 06:49:20 PM »


Anyone have any more info about the other camp in Ulster with a positive Covid case that's mentioned in Stolin's letter? Is it a frum camp? Sleepaway or day? Camper or staffer?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1082 on: July 06, 2020, 06:54:23 PM »
Hate to say it but it was clear to anyone who looked at this objectively from the beginning that it was always a real uphill battle, if a battle at all
The downtrend of cases/deaths in NY and all the askanus involved, lot of camps really thought they would get the go ahead. In any case the camps that don't have political ties opened last week.

Not only this, but I think they were hoping that, because the Judge in the religious gatherings case had ruled against the governor pointing to the protests argument, that it would work here as well but alas this Judge didn't quite see it that way.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1083 on: July 06, 2020, 06:57:19 PM »
The downtrend of cases/deaths in NY and all the askanus involved, lot of camps really thought they would get the go ahead. In any case the camps that don't have political ties opened last week.
Not only this, but I think they were hoping that, because the Judge in the religious gatherings case had ruled against the governor pointing to the protests argument, that it would work here as well but alas this Judge didn't quite see it that way.
Hate to say it but it was clear to anyone who looked at this objectively from the beginning that it was always a real uphill battle, if a battle at all
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1084 on: July 06, 2020, 07:50:08 PM »
I told you so.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1085 on: July 06, 2020, 08:22:31 PM »
I told you so.
40k kids without a camp and that's your reaction? Very sad

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1086 on: July 06, 2020, 09:39:59 PM »
40k kids without a camp and that's your reaction? Very sad

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1087 on: July 06, 2020, 09:40:59 PM »
40k kids without a camp and that's your reaction? Very sad

Very sad is putting it mildly. That's the understatement of the millennium.

And just to be clear, I have zero skin in the game here.  I'm not a camp owner or director, nor am I remotely related to one. Not even my kids are impacted by this decision with our camp having successfully moved to PA.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I just feel it was extremely unfair to come out with this ban in the name of public health after all that went on in NY (and all over the country) with the mass protests and doing nothing to stop THAT in the name of public health and safety. On the contrary, it was actively condoned by our governor (as well as mayor but he's irrelevant in this discussion anyway). Elected officials should not behave this way and have a double standard and I know I'm not the only one that feels that way.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1088 on: July 06, 2020, 09:43:02 PM »
Trying to talk to platinumguy is like trying to explain to whites what it means for blacks to experience racism. There's no one home. Don't bother.

Where did I recently see this quote  :o?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1091 on: July 06, 2020, 09:55:37 PM »
Have or will you be sending your kids to camp?
To personal of a question?
My 9 year old son is in a sports focused day camp that is actually run by @Barryg, he would indeed go crazy being at home otherwise. They're not playing close-contact sports like basketball. The cost is a fraction of a sleepaway camp. Seems like enrollment is way down, but we'll see if Barry wants to fill us in.

My younger 3 kids are home.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1092 on: July 06, 2020, 09:57:31 PM »
My 9 year old son is in a sports focused day camp that is actually run by a DDFer, he would indeed go crazy being at home otherwise. They're not playing close-contact sports like basketball. But the cost is a fraction of a sleepaway camp.

My younger 3 kids are home.
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1093 on: July 06, 2020, 09:58:21 PM »
Nice but 9 already?  :)
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1094 on: July 06, 2020, 10:27:29 PM »
Those coping with disappointment due to the ban on sleepaway camps may find some ideas, links and chizuk here:  https://collive.com/a-bummer-of-a-summer/

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1095 on: July 06, 2020, 10:38:29 PM »
Very sad is putting it mildly. That's the understatement of the millennium.

And just to be clear, I have zero skin in the game here.  I'm not a camp owner or director, nor am I remotely related to one. Not even my kids are impacted by this decision with our camp having successfully moved to PA.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I just feel it was extremely unfair to come out with this ban in the name of public health after all that went on in NY (and all over the country) with the mass protests and doing nothing to stop THAT in the name of public health and safety. On the contrary, it was actively condoned by our governor (as well as mayor but he's irrelevant in this discussion anyway). Elected officials should not behave this way and have a double standard and I know I'm not the only one that feels that way.
But officer....?

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1096 on: July 06, 2020, 11:16:38 PM »
My 9 year old son is in a sports focused day camp that is actually run by @Barryg, he would indeed go crazy being at home otherwise. They're not playing close-contact sports like basketball. The cost is a fraction of a sleepaway camp. Seems like enrollment is way down, but we'll see if Barry wants to fill us in.

My younger 3 kids are home.

Sounds like a great day camp! A 9 year old should not be at sleepaway camp either way so this is the right place for him. Everyone has a different threshold, but I wouldn't send below age 13.

But officer....?

Care to explain? Sorry, not quite following.


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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1097 on: July 06, 2020, 11:24:26 PM »
Sounds like a great day camp! A 9 year old should not be at sleepaway camp either way so this is the right place for him. Everyone has a different threshold, but I wouldn't send below age 13.

Care to explain? Sorry, not quite following.
The fact that they are hypocrites has no bearing on the matter at hand.
(I can't believe you haven't seen the "but officer he was speeding too" analogy here)

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1098 on: July 07, 2020, 12:27:27 AM »
The fact that they are hypocrites has no bearing on the matter at hand.
(I can't believe you haven't seen the "but officer he was speeding too" analogy here)

Because it totally is not a comparison here so it wouldn't dawn on me to use that analogy.

Hypocrisy sure does have a bearing and the Judge in the religious gathering lawsuit even cited that.

I hope we can all just agree to disagree. Otherwise, we'll keep going in circles. The fact is that sleepaway camps being banned in NY has caused a lot of disappointment to thousands of people and I commiserate with them.

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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
« Reply #1099 on: July 07, 2020, 08:01:35 AM »
Because it totally is not a comparison here so it wouldn't dawn on me to use that analogy.
If you try to justify one action with another action that is wrong you get "but officer". Just clearing up the meaning.
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