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[yochiek93]

You took a position, and can't back off.
There is a problem, admit it.
the amount of deaths it caused might be exaggerated, fine.
Hunger/undernourishing kills people, especially weak recovering patients. Directly or indirectly.
Really?

so does giving them food if they will aspirate that will kill them faster
To you it's a catch 22. What would you do since you seem to know so much about medicine

[ah giten]

so does giving them food if they will aspirate that will kill them faster
To you it's a catch 22. What would you do since you seem to know so much about medicine

We agree that some patients can't be fed.
Can we also agree that there's a problem in the hospital?
(yes I admit you know medicine better than me...)

[Lurker]

We agree that some patients can't be fed.
Can we also agree that there's a problem in the hospital?
(yes I admit you know medicine better than me...)

He never denied that. He even offered to try to help if someone would approach him with a specific case.

[yochiek93]

We agree that some patients can't be fed.
Can we also agree that there's a problem in the hospital?
(yes I admit you know medicine better than me...)

He never denied that. He even offered to try to help if someone would approach him with a specific case.

Im not covering anything up I offered to bring up stories to the powers that be if they are legit neglect so far I got zero PM's on it. All I hear is complaints from people that can't even verify what really is going on

[ah giten]

He never denied that. He even offered to try to help if someone would approach him with a specific case.

I didn't read through the entire thread...

[Lurker]

I didn't read through the entire thread...

Lesson I've learned on DDF...

[yossig]

first off I'm not living in denial I see first hand daily what's going on, unlike you. Second it takes more than 2 days to die of hunger and thirst especially when they have IVs and fluids.
The denial my friend is just this entitlement people have that they deserve to be treated as if they are the only ones in the hospital.

so you think this only happened to him once??
And when someone is hanging like this it doesn’t take long for a body to collapse and lack of nutrition might be a direct cause of death.

And for your 2nd point, me and you know that nobody is talking about the lack of 5 star treatment.

 it’s about gross negligence. Period.

[ah giten]

Lesson I've learned on DDF...

If he would be clear, I wouldn't have to read so much.

[Lurker]

If he would be clear, I wouldn't have to read so much.

You walked into a conversation. He shouldn't have to give a recap in every sentence.

[ah giten]

so you think this only happened to him once??
And when someone is hanging like this it doesn’t take long for a body to collapse and lack of nutrition might be a direct cause of death.

And for your 2nd point, me and you know that nobody is talking about the lack of 5 star treatment.

 it’s about gross negligence. Period.

Nah, he already admitted once that there is a problem. If you didn't find it it's your problem.
Now he can go on defend the hospitals.

[Lurker]

Nah, he already admitted once that there is a problem. If you didn't find it it's your problem.
Now he can go on defend the hospitals.

You know what? You're right. Shut em all down! Let everyone die comfortably at home.

[yochiek93]

so you think this only happened to him once??
And when someone is hanging like this it doesn’t take long for a body to collapse and lack of nutrition might be a direct cause of death.

And for your 2nd point, me and you know that nobody is talking about the lack of 5 star treatment.

 it’s about gross negligence. Period.

I haven't heard a single real story of gross negligence on this forum yet, are there yes just like in every hospital. And those should be brought up, the ones where in all likelihood have a medical reason are not gross negligence.

[yossig]

You know what? You're right. Shut em all down! Let everyone die comfortably at home.

when you check engine light goes on you buy a new car?

[ah giten]

You know what? You're right. Shut em all down! Let everyone die comfortably at home.

We are not doing anything here that will open or close hospitals.
We are raising questions that some don't want should be asked.

[ah giten]

I haven't heard a single real story of gross negligence on this forum yet, are there yes just like in every hospital. And those should be brought up, the ones where in all likelihood have a medical reason are not gross negligence.

Why do you assume this without even asking?

[Lurker]

when you check engine light goes on you buy a new car?

No, but you're not bringing it to the mechanic. You're sitting in shul complaining about it like it will fix itself.

[Lurker]

Why do you assume this without even asking?

Why do you assume there isn't?

[ah giten]

No, but you're not bringing it to the mechanic. You're sitting in shul complaining about it like it will fix itself.

your in the same shul...

[yochiek93]

Why do you assume this without even asking?

because I assume they aren't just cruel human beings out to torture others unlike you who thinks everyone is out to get you.

[ah giten]

Why do you assume there isn't?

If I would hear 1 story, from close family, I would be דן לכף זכות...
just pushing away every story, based on assumptions, shows bias.