Poll

Is your shul secretly open right now?

Shul is closed and locked NYC
45 (40.9%)
Shul is "closed" but secretly functioning NYC
6 (5.5%)
Shul is officially not closed NYC
0 (0%)
Shul is closed and locked OOT
26 (23.6%)
Shul is "closed" but secretly functioning OOT
2 (1.8%)
Shul is officially not closed OOT
0 (0%)
Shul is closed and locked Lakewood
31 (28.2%)
Shul is "closed" but secretly functioning Lakewood
0 (0%)
Shul is officially not closed Lakewood
0 (0%)

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Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« on: April 12, 2020, 01:01:29 PM »
I just confirmed what I knew to be true that my shteibel has been open for the Rabbi and his immediate family and his cousin and his immediate family who all live locally. I dont really have an issue with that. Except, now over yom tov there were at least 3 other people that joined the rabbi's minyan.   I also confirmed that  the other shteibel I daven in has been having daily minyanim too. I'm seriously considering not going back to these shuls after all of this is over. Dont really know what the alternatives are either.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2020, 01:05:00 PM »
I just confirmed what I knew to be true that my shteibel has been open for the Rabbi and his immediate family and his cousin and his immediate family who all live locally. I dont really have an issue with that. Except, now over yom tov there were at least 3 other people that joined the rabbi's minyan.   I also confirmed that  the other shteibel I daven in has been having daily minyanim too. I'm seriously considering not going back to these shuls after all of this is over. Dont really know what the alternatives are either.
Why not?

There are many mekoros that in time of need we go to shul to daven.

If you disagree you can just not attend.

I personally know of ppl that stayed home for many weeks and got the virus.

It is sad that a post office can have 40 ppl sometimes close together because its called essential by government while our shuls have to he closed even with proper social distancing.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2020, 01:05:09 PM »
Poll needs NYC or OOT options.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2020, 01:07:05 PM »
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2020, 01:08:00 PM »
OOT, shul complex opens for occasional food distribution, no minyanim for almost 4 weeks now.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2020, 01:09:44 PM »
Poll needs NYC or OOT options.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2020, 01:10:55 PM »
Why not?

There are many mekoros that in time of need we go to shul to daven.

If you disagree you can just not attend.

I personally know of ppl that stayed home for many weeks and got the virus.

It is sad that a post office can have 40 ppl sometimes close together because its called essential by government while our shuls have to he closed even with proper social distancing.
What part of Dina D'Malchusa not in a shaas hashmad dont you get?
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2020, 01:13:18 PM »
What part of Dina D'Malchusa not in a shaas hashmad dont you get?
This is not dependent upon DDD; it is much more basic. It is a cha'shash pikuach nefesh, and in certain cities (at least), the rabonim have paskened not to do it.

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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2020, 01:15:45 PM »
This is not dependent upon DDD; it is much more basic. It is a cha'shash pikuach nefesh, and in certain cities (at least), the rabonim have paskened not to do it.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2020, 01:16:02 PM »
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2020, 01:16:20 PM »
What part of Dina D'Malchusa not in a shaas hashmad dont you get?
Who said it's illegal?
Did you read the actual text of the executive order? Nothing bans religious gatherings with proper social distancing.

The federal government did not ban it and the constitution would void such  an order that would do so. Social distancing in a grocery and USPS can be done but not outside in your backyard or in a shul.

I know of a very  recognized shul with a huge hall that has a guard that limits the amount of ppl entering and every one is spread out. Also no older ppl allowed in.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2020, 01:17:36 PM »
Who said it's illegal?
Did you read the actual text of the executive order? Nothing bans religious gatherings with proper social distancing.

The federal government did not ban it and the constitution would void such  an order that would do so. Social distancing in a grocery and USPS can be done but not outside in your backyard or in a shul.

I know of a very  recognized shul with a huge hall that has a guard that limits the amount of ppl entering and every one is spread out. Also no older ppl allowed in.
You are clueless about constitutional law.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2020, 01:17:37 PM »
This is not dependent upon DDD; it is much more basic. It is a cha'shash pikuach nefesh, and in certain cities (at least), the rabonim have paskened not to do it.
There are very well recognized rabinim I personally heard say you can make a minyan outside. They wont say so publicly because they are being terrorized.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2020, 01:19:40 PM »
Is there an option for publicly open, not even in secret?

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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2020, 01:19:43 PM »
Who said it's illegal?
Did you read the actual text of the executive order? Nothing bans religious gatherings with proper social distancing.

The federal government did not ban it and the constitution would void such  an order that would do so. Social distancing in a grocery and USPS can be done but not outside in your backyard or in a shul.

I know of a very  recognized shul with a huge hall that has a guard that limits the amount of ppl entering and every one is spread out. Also no older ppl allowed in.
Who decides which people get to come to shul and which dont. As a matter of practicality any shul I know of cannot properly social distance. Its just not practical. Just like the outside minyanim. I will post video of the minyanim in front of my house. 
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