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Is your shul secretly open right now?

Shul is closed and locked NYC
45 (40.9%)
Shul is "closed" but secretly functioning NYC
6 (5.5%)
Shul is officially not closed NYC
0 (0%)
Shul is closed and locked OOT
26 (23.6%)
Shul is "closed" but secretly functioning OOT
2 (1.8%)
Shul is officially not closed OOT
0 (0%)
Shul is closed and locked Lakewood
31 (28.2%)
Shul is "closed" but secretly functioning Lakewood
0 (0%)
Shul is officially not closed Lakewood
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 110

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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #255 on: April 12, 2020, 10:52:23 PM »
I think I need a support group. I get so much anxiety that such stupidity exists, but I keep reading these shul threads like I'm going to find some good info or maybe fix some of the stupid. It's like a deeply destructive cycle. And then I dream of hamsters and bleach and minyanim of people who don't know they're dead yet.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #256 on: April 12, 2020, 10:53:06 PM »
Read upthread.
But comparing shuls to stores that sell food and drugs is naarishkeit, no matter how important shul is.
For someone who never misses a minyan this is a truly troubling situation. Someone who misses minyanim for non essential travel will obviously not show up now, thus they aren't a proof of anything.

But if the guy who makes a minyan in these times can't get up for netz byichidus it proves he isn't either legit.

And like it was said above, if you feel the need to make a minyan against your Rov, that proves your entire history of shul-going was never anything but a farce.
Not if your Rov is wrong. Do you think a Rov has some kind of mystical powers?
But in this case he is right. He follows the Torah that says that safek nefashos trumps most.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #257 on: April 12, 2020, 10:54:20 PM »
I think I need a support group. I get so much anxiety that such stupidity exists, but I keep reading these shul threads like I'm going to find some good info or maybe fix some of the stupid. It's like a deeply destructive cycle. And then I dream of hamsters and bleach and minyanim of people who don't know they're dead yet.
For this alone it was worth not locking it yet. @Dan it is time lock it up
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #258 on: April 12, 2020, 10:54:24 PM »
I think I need a support group. I get so much anxiety that such stupidity exists, but I keep reading these shul threads like I'm going to find some good info or maybe fix some of the stupid. It's like a deeply destructive cycle. And then I dream of hamsters and bleach and minyanim of people who don't know they're dead yet.
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #259 on: April 12, 2020, 10:54:41 PM »
For someone who never misses a minyan this is a truly troubling situation. Someone who misses minyanim for non essential travel will obviously not show up now, thus they aren't a proof of anything.

But if the guy who makes a minyan in these times can't get up for netz byichidus it proves he isn't either legit.
Not if your Rov is wrong. Do you think a Rov has some kind of mystical powers?
But in this case he is right. He follows the Torah that says that safek nefashos trumps most.
You're just proving @Dans point. That the reason they're doing it is because they are worshipping themselves and their "winning streaks", not Hashem.

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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #260 on: April 12, 2020, 10:54:57 PM »
For someone who never misses a minyan this is a truly troubling situation. Someone who misses minyanim for non essential travel will obviously not show up now, thus they aren't a proof of anything.

We are not baseball players keeping a streak alive!!!!
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
« Reply #261 on: April 12, 2020, 10:55:45 PM »
For this alone it was worth not locking it yet. @Dan it is time lock it up
Per OP request, thread is locked.
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