Author Topic: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim  (Read 41277 times)

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2020, 11:27:04 PM »
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2020, 11:27:39 PM »
Aint happening :)

Actually been happening all day here, and yesterday as well.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2020, 11:28:15 PM »
Somehow I fell that this thread is a continuation of the minyan thread that was just locked.

The headlines podcast had a discussion about this, one of the rabbonim brought a tshuva about someone that blew shofar even though it was סכנת נפשות for him to do so due to a heart condition, that they had to hear the shofar again as he wasn’t allowed to blow.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2020, 11:29:06 PM »
So to discuss a different angle related to the c**p tornado that is this thread...

This minyan is somewhat visible through the trees from my deck, where I tend to daven, and it can normally be heard quite clearly.

I've decided not to answer amen when I hear them say kaddish and so on - I feel that this minyan is a case of 'בוצע ברך נאץ ה. Is this a valid halachic mehalech?
It's what I keep on saying. If you are referring to a Shachris minyan, why don't they daven at netz which is better than tzibur?

And by the way, lets be honest with ourselves. If you are someone who misses minyan for something unessential (yes travel for pleasure is unessential) then you have no right to make a stink about this. You wouldn't show up to minyan if only some rabbanim told you not to. Its the guys who always make it to minyan, three times a day, that count. They know that despite the fact that they would do anything to make a minyan, they still wont now because of sakana.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2020, 11:29:21 PM »
Can I ask a question about laws?  :)
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2020, 11:30:28 PM »
Actually been happening all day here, and yesterday as well.
For outdoor minyanim?? Interesting. On my block there are multiple front yard/porch minyanim, 2 blocks away from a police station, and police cars passing by literally every five minutes.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2020, 11:31:37 PM »
For outdoor minyanim?? Interesting. On my block there are multiple front yard/porch minyanim, 2 blocks away from a police station, and police cars passing literally every five minutes.

Not sure actually, might have been actual shuls only. Maybe some other Monsey guys can chime in.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2020, 11:32:04 PM »
Not sure actually, might have been actual shuls only. Maybe some other Monsey guys can chime in.
Oh makes more sense.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2020, 11:32:36 PM »
Can I ask a question about laws?  :)
I think you should wait till everyone migrates to this thread first 🤣

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2020, 11:33:23 PM »
Actually had a minyan across the street of my house. Police passed and said "thank you guys, continue keeping your distance" as everyone was at least 6 feet away from the next person.
The issue was when the minyan ended and they all needed to hock about the latest news....

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2020, 11:33:28 PM »
Can I ask a question about laws?  :)

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2020, 11:33:42 PM »
I think you should wait till everyone migrates to this thread first 🤣
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2020, 11:34:12 PM »
Actually had a minyan across the street of my house. Police passed and said "thank you guys, continue keeping your distance" as everyone was at least 6 feet away from the next person.
The issue was when the minyan ended and they all needed to hock about the latest news....
And what about kriya?
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2020, 11:36:10 PM »

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2020, 11:36:23 PM »
And what about kriya?
There's a minyan on my block and they don't lein. Everyone says it themselves and then they continue with davening

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2020, 11:37:28 PM »
And what about kriya?
They didnt have a sefer torah so they just skipped it.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2020, 11:38:06 PM »
And what about kriya?
my next door neighbor has a sefer Torah I saw him carrying with him to one of the outdoor minyanim while I davened in my house

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2020, 11:38:40 PM »
And what about kriya?
יש ויש. Some don't lein at all, some have the bal koreh doing all the aliyos, some are less careful, taking only "post corona youngsters" :-\

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2020, 11:39:06 PM »
Actually had a minyan across the street of my house. Police passed and said "thank you guys, continue keeping your distance" as everyone was at least 6 feet away from the next person.
The issue was when the minyan ended and they all needed to hock about the latest news....


I know of an outdoor minyan that passing police cars saw to many parked cars and stopped to investigate, a child outside warned everyone that the police are here, so everyone ran into the garage. This is in a location where there is a ban on more than 5 people so the minyan would be illegal.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2020, 11:40:36 PM »

I know of an outdoor minyan that passing police cars saw to many parked cars and stopped to investigate, a child outside warned all the people that the police are here, so everyone ran into the garage.
Thats horrible. The police are only trying to protect us and some people are not letting them do their job.