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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #300 on: April 19, 2020, 01:31:27 AM »
Unfortunately we don’t live in Montreal.
True story.
My bil is by his in-laws since he came back from IL due to the situation. On 7th of Pesach they made a porch minyan with their 7 men and a back neighbor with 3 men. A non Jewish neighbor called the cops and long story short gave two ppl there $1,500 fines each.
FTFY

Not always, just now
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #301 on: April 19, 2020, 01:33:39 AM »
Btw heard something scary from a Rav in Lakewood that should make us think a little.
He said that people are talking about aiva aiva aiva ...
He said you know what causes aiva? THE FANCY HOUSES AND CARS etc...
Think about it. He has a point.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #302 on: April 19, 2020, 01:42:19 AM »
Btw heard something scary from a Rav in Lakewood that should make us think a little.
He said that people are talking about aiva aiva aiva ...
He said you know what causes aiva? THE FANCY HOUSES AND CARS etc...
Think about it. He has a point.
Absolutely
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #303 on: April 19, 2020, 01:42:56 AM »
walking and running are not either outdoor activities. Ask any gym.

Which is why they are specifically mentioned. No reasonable person defines Davening as an "outdoor activity" no matter how often it is done outdoors

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #304 on: April 19, 2020, 01:43:28 AM »
Btw heard something scary from a Rav in Lakewood that should make us think a little.
He said that people are talking about aiva aiva aiva ...
He said you know what causes aiva? THE FANCY HOUSES AND CARS etc...
Think about it. He has a point.
He is very very right
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #305 on: April 19, 2020, 03:16:47 AM »
Btw heard something scary from a Rav in Lakewood that should make us think a little.
He said that people are talking about aiva aiva aiva ...
He said you know what causes aiva? THE FANCY HOUSES AND CARS etc...
Think about it. He has a point.

Hope he wasn't using this to minimize that there's aiva stemming from minyanim, because this is a Red Herring; aiva can have many different origins - no need to add gasoline to a fire.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #306 on: April 19, 2020, 03:20:09 AM »
Hope he wasn't using this to minimize that there's aiva stemming from minyanim, because this is a Red Herring; aiva can have many different origins - no need to add gasoline to a fire.
Not at all. He just gave perspective.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #307 on: April 19, 2020, 03:20:58 AM »
He is very very right
Go into your cave, NOW!
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #308 on: April 19, 2020, 03:57:21 AM »
One of the problems with porch minyanim is that although they by themselves are fine with a bunch of restrictions, many people don’t hear or read  the psak, especially those with not internet connection, and assume that all types of porch minyanim are fine, even those with neighbours coming onto their porches.
Another point is that it’s still  cold outside in many places and people could get sick.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #309 on: April 19, 2020, 08:08:42 AM »
Go into your cave, NOW!
What coherence
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #310 on: April 19, 2020, 08:17:58 AM »

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #311 on: April 19, 2020, 09:36:50 AM »
Go into your cave, NOW!
If everyone did this it would solve this issue.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #312 on: April 19, 2020, 09:40:49 AM »
In a vacuum, porch minyanim should be fine. Unfortunately, we don't love in a vacuum.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #313 on: April 19, 2020, 10:02:21 AM »
If everyone did this it would solve this issue.
Temporarily
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #314 on: April 19, 2020, 11:18:09 AM »
Go into your cave, NOW!
Smart dude! Where were you four thousand years ago when our old father Yakov Uvinu begged "למה תתראו".

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #315 on: April 19, 2020, 11:26:21 AM »
I would love to know the difference between B"B (and to a lessor extent where I live, where we missed only 5 days of no minyan over the whole period) and Brooklyn/Williamsburgh both acted the same but the outcomes are completely different.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #316 on: April 19, 2020, 11:50:03 AM »
I would love to know the difference between B"B (and to a lessor extent where I live, where we missed only 5 days of no minyan over the whole period) and Brooklyn/Williamsburgh both acted the same but the outcomes are completely different.

Curious if statistics would be collected of proportion of each community’s orthodox population vs deaths It might provide some interesting information.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #317 on: April 19, 2020, 12:31:59 PM »
I would love to know the difference between B"B (and to a lessor extent where I live, where we missed only 5 days of no minyan over the whole period) and Brooklyn/Williamsburgh both acted the same but the outcomes are completely different.
Is the infection rate also so high there?

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #318 on: April 19, 2020, 12:34:07 PM »
I would love to know the difference between B"B (and to a lessor extent where I live, where we missed only 5 days of no minyan over the whole period) and Brooklyn/Williamsburgh both acted the same but the outcomes are completely different.
I doubt it was actually the same, Israel policed things differently vs. some places here where there was complete disregard. Corona also hit later and fewer there because of early implementation, AFAIK. Any clue what the infection rate is there? How many people have exhibited symptoms that you know of where you live?
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #319 on: April 19, 2020, 01:07:16 PM »
I would love to know the difference between B"B (and to a lessor extent where I live, where we missed only 5 days of no minyan over the whole period) and Brooklyn/Williamsburgh both acted the same but the outcomes are completely different.
Ask this question when the pandemic is over, it's too early to compare.