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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #180 on: April 14, 2020, 05:51:04 PM »
What about eyeballing vodka?

Is this a loophole around the minhag chabad not to drink pesachdike mashke?

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #181 on: April 14, 2020, 05:51:12 PM »
Nuh uh

Im offended. You should be banned for your personal attack on me and my values.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2020, 05:55:31 PM »
Nobody gets banned for posting a contrarian opinion.
I might be wrong but I got the impression that if youre bashing the minyan guys youre ok no matter the language used or names called and even degrading רבנים (I know you think hes a not worthy of that, but who are you to make that decision?).

I know Ill get heat on this, but I think what should be made clear is that everyone should have keep to a standard when posting. Enough with the bashing, insults, name calling and the #@$&*.

I am sure DDF will come out of this as BETTER PLACE!!

Git YT everyone!

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2020, 06:00:07 PM »
I am sure DDF will come out of this as BETTER PLACE!!

Git YT everyone!

Amen, want to enter YT with this attitude

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2020, 06:03:19 PM »
I might be wrong but I got the impression that if youre bashing the minyan guys youre ok no matter the language used or names called and even degrading רבנים (I know you think hes a not worthy of that, but who are you to make that decision?).

I know Ill get heat on this, but I think what should be made clear is that everyone should have keep to a standard when posting. Enough with the bashing, insults, name calling and the #@$&*.

I am sure DDF will come out of this as BETTER PLACE!!

Git YT everyone!
For the record, since you apparently forgot, people calling rabbonim names have been called out numerous times, including by those who have pushed very strongly for there to be no minyanim. Those who just do whatever they want and are suddenly so frum on the other hand.......
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2020, 06:10:49 PM »
I might be wrong but I got the impression that if youre bashing the minyan guys youre ok no matter the language used or names called and even degrading רבנים (I know you think hes a not worthy of that, but who are you to make that decision?).

I know Ill get heat on this, but I think what should be made clear is that everyone should have keep to a standard when posting. Enough with the bashing, insults, name calling and the #@$&*.

I am sure DDF will come out of this as BETTER PLACE!!

Git YT everyone!
Amen. I'm not OK with degradation on any side, but I've let things slide in the past as I don't want to feel like I'm a principal running a school or a ban happy Flyertalk mod. That included attacks on me and others without consequence.

Clearly this approach no longer works in these anxious days and stricter standards are being enforced as of today and they apply across the board.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2020, 06:15:19 PM by Dan »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2020, 06:15:02 PM »
Amen. I'm not OK with degradation on any side, but I've let things slide in the past as I don't want to feel like I'm a principal running a school or a ban happy Flyertalk mod. That included attacks on me and others without consequence.

Clearly this approach no longer works in these anxious days and stricter standards are being enforced as of today and they apply across the board.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2020, 06:18:09 PM »
Clearly this approach no longer works in these anxious days and stricter standards are being enforced as of today and they apply across the board.

Can you please elaborate.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2020, 06:19:38 PM »
Can you please elaborate.
I think it's self-explanatory. Debate all you want, take any position you want, but keep the conversation civil and don't make things personal.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #189 on: April 15, 2020, 04:25:20 PM »
Lakewood Psak was NOT because of safety. It clearly states because of איבה.

Why do we read stories of people who sacrificed their lives not to eat horse meat in the Holocaust. We call them heroes. Nobody says ahhh but וחי בהם......

Follow your Rabbi and stop knocking other rabonim period. We will never have the geula with all this hate.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #190 on: April 16, 2020, 09:36:39 PM »
Lakewood Psak was NOT because of safety. It clearly states because of איבה.

Why do we read stories of people who sacrificed their lives not to eat horse meat in the Holocaust. We call them heroes. Nobody says ahhh but וחי בהם......

Follow your Rabbi and stop knocking other rabonim period. We will never have the geula with all this hate.
It was already explained before the difference; שעת השמד

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #191 on: April 17, 2020, 12:39:10 AM »
Lakewood Psak was NOT because of safety. It clearly states because of איבה.

Why do we read stories of people who sacrificed their lives not to eat horse meat in the Holocaust. We call them heroes. Nobody says ahhh but וחי בהם......

Follow your Rabbi and stop knocking other rabonim period. We will never have the geula with all this hate.
Fake news. It was both.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #192 on: April 17, 2020, 01:37:55 AM »
Fake news. It was both.
A guy that is davening in shul said the same thing to me just now. I cant believe the dishonesty and hoops some people will go through to justify their untenable positions. He tried the grocery and Walgreens excuse too. I just cant believe I'm surrounded by these people.
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #193 on: April 17, 2020, 01:44:45 AM »
A guy that is davening in shul said the same thing to me just now. I cant believe the dishonesty and hoops some people will go through to justify their untenable positions. He tried the grocery and Walgreens excuse too. I just cant believe I'm surrounded by these people.

I am curious with your opinion that porch minyanim in the US was cancelled for health reasons whereas in Israel it is being done legally EVERYWHERE and there are no issues. Why is one country different then another? the only reason I can see is Eiva. It makes no sense that people cant stand on their porches to daven for health reasons. If there was a health issue then dont go play in your yard either.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #194 on: April 17, 2020, 01:46:34 AM »
I am curious with your opinion that porch minyanim in the US was cancelled for health reasons whereas in Israel it is being done legally EVERYWHERE and there are no issues. Why is one country different then another? the only reason I can see is Eiva. It makes no sense that people cant stand on their porches to daven for health reasons. If there was a health issue then dont go play in your yard either.
Because it's not only porch minyanim. People are standing around on the grass, too.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #195 on: April 17, 2020, 01:50:14 AM »
Because it's not only porch minyanim. People are standing around on the grass, too.

So you assir everything because a few people will break the rules? That makes no sense when it comes to davening with a minyan. If you can keep the rules then do it. If not then dont.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #196 on: April 17, 2020, 01:54:08 AM »
So you assir everything because a few people will break the rules? That makes no sense when it comes to davening with a minyan. If you can keep the rules then do it. If not then dont.
1. It's more than a few people. Almost every minyan turns out to be like that.
2. When it comes to Pikiach Nefesh you have to be very machmir.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #197 on: April 17, 2020, 01:55:58 AM »
1. It's more than a few people. Almost every minyan turns out to be like that.
2. When it comes to Pikiach Nefesh you have to be very machmir.

Leave it at #2 and thats it.
Ill bet you if the guy makes it to Succos hell spend 10 hours with a magnifying glass reviewing his esrog but when it comes to his or his friends LIFE (legit life!) the samech mem gets a hold of him & others like never before. Its unreal!

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #198 on: April 17, 2020, 01:56:35 AM »
So you assir everything because a few people will break the rules? That makes no sense when it comes to davening with a minyan. If you can keep the rules then do it. If not then dont.
Depends where, Chasidishe don't oppose it for the most part, same as they do it in Israel. There is no unanimous consensus to oppose backyard/porch minyanim as it may sound here again and again.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #199 on: April 17, 2020, 02:00:03 AM »
So you assir everything because a few people will break the rules? That makes no sense when it comes to davening with a minyan. If you can keep the rules then do it. If not then dont.
When "a few people might break the rules" involves a risk of pikuach nefesh you absolutely do asser everything.
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