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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #200 on: April 17, 2020, 02:02:51 AM »
When "a few people might break the rules" involves a risk of pikuach nefesh you absolutely do asser everything.

Ok...I guess this is another thing we can add to the differences between Israel rabonim and American Rabanim...I absolutely have full respect for both opinions just curious for the explanation...

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #201 on: April 17, 2020, 02:12:19 AM »
Ok...I guess this is another thing we can add to the differences between Israel rabonim and American Rabanim...I absolutely have full respect for both opinions just curious for the explanation...
Although it may seem like it here, there is no clear consensus with American rabbonim in regard to porch minyanim. And there most definitely are lots of them going on.  Everyone just comes to vent their frustrations here, be it for or against. Just bare that in mind.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #202 on: April 17, 2020, 02:17:11 AM »
Although it may seem like it here, there is no clear consensus with American rabbonim in regard to porch minyanim. And there most definitely are lots of them going on.  Everyone just comes to vent their frustrations here, be it for or against. Just bare that in mind.

You say that, but where are the public pronouncements?
Yes, they clearly exist, but no rav seems to be willing to go on the record to allow them.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #203 on: April 17, 2020, 02:24:48 AM »
You say that, but where are the public pronouncements?
Yes, they clearly exist, but no rav seems to be willing to go on the record to allow them.
Hu? You know how many Rabbonim were't even asked this question? In so many places it's not even a topic.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #204 on: April 17, 2020, 02:27:29 AM »
Hu? You know how many Rabbonim were't even asked this question? In so many places it's not even a topic.
Which neighborhood, for example?

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #205 on: April 17, 2020, 02:27:36 AM »
Hu? You know how many Rabbonim were't even asked this question? In so many places it's not even a topic.
No comment.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #206 on: April 17, 2020, 02:28:58 AM »
You say that, but where are the public pronouncements?
Yes, they clearly exist, but no rav seems to be willing to go on the record to allow them.

Even if they wont go on record, there are some that participate. Actions speak louder then words.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #207 on: April 17, 2020, 02:33:40 AM »
Which neighborhood, for example?
In Boro Park, Williamsburg, Monsey & Monroe.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #208 on: April 17, 2020, 02:36:18 AM »
In Boro Park, Williamsburg, Monsey & Monroe.
Look at the OP in this thread, for one. Are you with a straight face this is not a conversation topic in Borough Park? Come on.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #209 on: April 17, 2020, 02:40:40 AM »
Look at the OP in this thread, for one. Are you with a straight face this is not a conversation topic in Borough Park? Come on.
I didn't say it's not a topic for everyone but safe to assume for the majority. Hvaces42 can tell you how many of those minyanim he's seeing.
I was telling news this Y"T that in Lakewood they banned porch minyanim.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #210 on: April 17, 2020, 02:42:01 AM »
I didn't say it's not a topic for everyone but safe to assume for the majority. Hvaces42 can tell you how much of those minyanim he's seeing.
I was telling news this Y"T that in Lakewood they banned porch minyanim.

Forget porch minyanim in BP. Shuls have reopened.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #211 on: April 17, 2020, 02:44:24 AM »
Forget porch minyanim in BP. Shuls have reopened.
Exactly, those being safe participate only in porch minyanim.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #212 on: April 17, 2020, 02:50:50 AM »
Exactly, those being safe participate only in porch minyanim.

Which are all safe, right? As reported by many witnesses in this forum.

These threads are so freaking depressing.

I think the Gedalia Society in Crown Heights saved lives. Had other communities had clear communication from medical professionals with access to hotlines to ask questions, as well as a partnership between the medical professionals and rabbonim things would look very different.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #213 on: April 17, 2020, 02:53:16 AM »
Forget porch minyanim in BP. Shuls have reopened.

I think it is safe to say 90% of BP davinid with a minyan the past Yom tov. Be it in shuls (50-70% are open) or on porch minyanim.
Also I know tens of rabonim in bp davinid with a minyanim, I don't know a single one davining without

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #214 on: April 17, 2020, 02:56:50 AM »
Which are all safe, right? As reported by many witnesses in this forum.

These threads are so freaking depressing.

I think the Gedalia Society in Crown Heights saved lives. Had other communities had clear communication from medical professionals with access to hotlines to ask questions, as well as a partnership between the medical professionals and rabbonim things would look very different.
Had the porch minynim start a week before the shuls were closed, things would be completely different. We didn't mess after the closures, we closed too late.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #215 on: April 17, 2020, 03:00:19 AM »
I think it is safe to say 90% of BP davinid with a minyan the past Yom tov. Be it in shuls (50-70% are open) or on porch minyanim.
Also I know tens of rabonim in bp davinid with a minyanim, I don't know a single one davining without
Your numbers are way off

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #216 on: April 17, 2020, 03:02:05 AM »
You say that, but where are the public pronouncements?
Yes, they clearly exist, but no rav seems to be willing to go on the record to allow them.
I think some are scared to an extent. Also plenty of them didn't even think twice to make an outdoor minyan once shuls were closed.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #217 on: April 17, 2020, 03:04:48 AM »
I think it is safe to say 90% of BP davinid with a minyan the past Yom tov. Be it in shuls (50-70% are open) or on porch minyanim.
Also I know tens of rabonim in bp davinid with a minyanim, I don't know a single one davining without

I'm genuinely stunned. R"l. I just don't know what to say anymore.

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #218 on: April 17, 2020, 03:07:37 AM »
I think it is safe to say 90% of BP davinid with a minyan the past Yom tov. Be it in shuls (50-70% are open) or on porch minyanim.
Also I know tens of rabonim in bp davinid with a minyanim, I don't know a single one davining without
If that's true, what are they going to answer on the Yom HaDin? How can they say ידינו לא שפכו את הדם הזה?

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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim
« Reply #219 on: April 17, 2020, 03:07:53 AM »
I'm genuinely stunned. R"l. I just don't know what to say anymore.

There is nothing to say. Its unreal how we have the cream of the crop dying.. for example Rabbi YT Rubin passed away in BP over Yom Tov. You would think people would get scared! He was a tremendous chashuva person. Its unreal, people just dont care. They think they are doing it for Hashem I guess. My brain cant process that mindset